Did Sam Langford knock Johnson down?

[Ivich]

Yes, Mcvey, Tonto62, he's called Ivich now will. What until I posted testimonials on Johnson vs Flynn and Johnson own words that Hart beat him good. Let him dismiss that too!

"Flynn disgraced everyone and fought a foul battle when he saw that he was outclassed .He fought as foul as any man could, bringing down the police's wrath. ,He desperately tried to lose the contest on a foul,when it was plain to him , as it was to the spectators, that he was a a beaten man."
"Maddened that he was being outguessed and check mated at every stage of the contest,Flynn resorted to the most barefaced
system of fouling.I was about to disqualify Flynn when the police entered the ring".
Johnson was superior from start to finish
Ed Smith the referee of the contest.
Ringside opinion was that Flynn would have been neatly cleaned in a short time.
On three occasions during the fight Johnson landed from five to seven straight punches on Flynn's flattened nose .And Flynn was groggy,
Johnson could have used his famous punch to the jaw with either hand and put him to sleep."

New York American July 6th 1912

"Flynn was battered and bested ,on his way out but for Johnson carrying him."
New York American July 6th 1912

Now isn't everyone getting a bit bored with Jack Johnson threads?

[Ivich]

The French press says there was a knockdown and I directly quoted Langford himself giving details of the knockdown as well as Johnson shamelessly backing out a signed contact. Go ahead apply your *** or CRT to that! It's what you do, isn't it?

Name a French paper that said Johnson was floored .Produce the quote from the paper.
Langford said he floored Johnson in the 1st round,he also said he did it in the 5th round
Which round was it?
.He also ,at different times said that he weighed 135lbs,140lbs ,and150lbs.Which was it?
You want us to believe an unamed French source about a fight that at that time 1906, featured two fighters who were unknown in Europe, and would not have sent a correspondent from France to the US to cover the fight yet you discount the local Boston newspapers that were ringside and that made no reference to Langford scoring a knock down?

Yeah that makes logical sense!
You've convinced me! LOL

[GhostofDempsey]

No you provided a ghost written three times translated comic quote.which Johnson emphatically disawowed in
"Jack Johnson In The Ring And Out". Post a contemporary Boston newspaper ,where the fight was held that mentions Langford flooring Johnson .
You won't because none did! Fleischer never claimed Langford floored Johnson.

Nope, I provided a source that even your beloved Moyle used. Fleischer wrote that his father-in-law was at ringside and saw the knockdown, which could have been a slip but a punch by Langford was also landed.

[Ivich]

Nope, I provided a source that even your beloved Moyle used. Fleischer wrote that his father-in-law was at ringside and saw the knockdown, which could have been a slip but a punch by Langford was also landed.

AD Phillips didnt say it was a knockdown.I know that and so do you.

[GhostofDempsey]

AD Phillips didnt say it was a knockdown.I know that and so do you.

He said Johnson went down. He said it looked like a slip but that Langford also landed a clean punch on his jaw at the same time. You or I don't know if it was a slip or not because we were not there. This is one of those arguments where only a time machine can definitively prove someone right or wrong, like many of the arguments on this forum where events took place a century ago.

[Ivich]

He said Johnson went down. He said it looked like a slip but that Langford also landed a clean punch on his jaw at the same time. You or I don't know if it was a slip or not because we were not there. This is one of those arguments where only a time machine can definitively prove someone right or wrong, like many of the arguments on this forum where events took place a century ago.

NO Boston newspaper mentions Johnson being floored .
Why would that be?
Joe Woodman, Langfords own manager admitted the knockdown did not happen and Fleiacher put his confession in the Ring.
What more do you need?

Let me substitute Dempsey for Johnson which version would you then be inclined to believe? LOL

[GhostofDempsey]

NO Boston newspaper mentions Johnson being floored .
Why would that be?
Joe Woodman, Langfords own manager admitted the knockdown did not happen and Fleiacher put his confession in the Ring.
What more do you need?

Let me substitute Dempsey for Johnson which version would you then be inclined to believe? LOL

Do you have a copy of every Boston newspaper that was at the fight? Johnson himself said he went down, be it a slip or not. Why would he lie about that of all things?

[Ivich]

Do you have a copy of every Boston newspaper that was at the fight? Johnson himself said he went down, be it a slip or not. Why would he lie about that of all things?

In his auto biography he stated he did not go down and said ,"if Langford said that I must have hit him harder than I thought." Johnson referred anyone who wished to know the truth to ringside observer Tad Dorgan who was at the fight supporting Langford.
Dorgan unequivocally stated Langford did not floor Johnson
Three well respected authors could not come up with any evidence that Johnson was floored.
Langford's own manager admitted that he wasn't.
No paper local or otherwise says he was.
Yet you desperately need to cling to this BS?

Just how bad do you hate Johnson? I misjudged you,you are on a par with Dr Z.
Two very sad specimens of humanity ,hating on a man who has been dead for over 80 years!

[The Old LefHook]

Johnson had one of the toughest minds ever. I do not know of any blacks acting the way he did, though there may have been some. He was certainly the most visible of the crowd, if there was a crowd..

[GhostofDempsey]

In his auto biography he stated he did not go down and said ,"if Langford said that I must have hit him harder than I thought." Johnson referred anyone who wished to know the truth to ringside observer Tad Dorgan who was at the fight supporting Langford.
Dorgan unequivocally stated Langford did not floor Johnson
Three well respected authors could not come up with any evidence that Johnson was floored.
Langford's own manager admitted that he wasn't.
No paper local or otherwise says he was.
Yet you desperately need to cling to this BS?

Just how bad do you hate Johnson? I misjudged you,you are on a par with Dr Z.
Two very sad specimens of humanity ,hating on a man who has been dead for over 80 years!

In Johnson’s first book he said he went down. He also told Duke Mullins a couple of years later but suggested he was off balance. You can spin, dance and pull what’s left of your hair out of your head, but you aren’t changing my mind or anyone else’s. Howl at the moon!

I already stated I don’t hate Johnson, I’m rather indifferent towards him. I just don’t think he deserves all the glory and praise he receives. He is highly overrated. I respect what he had to endure as a black fighter and champion of his day, but little else about him impresses me. I offer the same analysis of Marciano to a lesser degree and Wladmir Klitschko to an equal degree in terms of being highly overrated. I don’t hate any of them.