Did Sam Langford knock Johnson down?

[Dr. Z]

This Dr. Z idiot is just as bad as GhostofKlansman. Never can admit when they are wrong when something is clearly proven.


Here is Langford himself admitting that Johnson was never down in a fight up to that point.


Oh, and Dr. Z. You're not going to like what Langford had to say about your boy Jeffries conditioning for the Johnson fight


He admits that he chose Jeffries to beat Johnson just because he was "sore" at Johnson. Then goes on to say....




Right from Sam Langford's mouth. There was no knock down. Stop being bltches. Thanks.


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The French press says there was a knockdown and I directly quoted Langford himself giving details of the knockdown as well as Johnson shamelessly backing out a signed contact. Go ahead apply your *** or CRT to that! It's what you do, isn't it?

[Dr. Z]

The referee of the Flynn fight said that, in his opinion Flynn deliberately fouled out to save himself from a stoppage defeat. Flynn was totally outclassed.
Now your little snippet that you posted stated that Johnson had accepted a fight with Langford for$30,000,this allegedly from Sam's own mouth!

Langford, if indeed he did say those quotes attributed to him,stated that;
1.He weighed only140lbs fpr their fight, yet a year earlier he was 15lbs heavier``!
How is that possible?
Langford further stated that he knocked Johnson down for a count of 9 in the very 1st round.
Yet the Boston papers, Boston being his adopted town, made no mention of this?
How is that possible?
Several years later Langford told trainer Duke Mullins he knocked Johnson down in the 5th round.
So which round was it? The 1st ? or the 5th?
And did he weigh 140lbs or 156lbs
Time to make up your mind which fairy tale you are going to push! LOL
Ducking you?
I wipe my arse with you daily! LOL

There was sign of Flynn going out from KO. Keep dreaming, I will give the opinions of those ringside at a later date! I have seen the full Johnson vs Flynn fight by the way. You haven't seen half to Burns vs Johnson..

Box Rec lists Langford at 156, Sam says he was 140. And he was 20 year old according to according to the Langford book! You act like your scoring points but I'm beating you over the head with them . Hopefully the board appreciates the links. You can't make disappear. But soon hopefully you will.

[Ivich]

There was sign of Flynn going out from KO. Keep dreaming, I will give the opinions of those ringside at a later date! I have seen the full Johnson vs Flynn fight by the way. You haven't seen half to Burns vs Johnson..

Box Rec lists Langford at 156, Sam says he was 140. And he was 20 year old according to according to the Langford book! You act like your scoring points but I'm beating you over the head with them . Hopefully the board appreciates the links. You can't make disappear. But soon hopefully you will.

Can you get this translated?lol

[travestyny]

The French press says there was a knockdown and I directly quoted Langford himself giving details of the knockdown as well as Johnson shamelessly backing out a signed contact. Go ahead apply your *** or CRT to that! It's what you do, isn't it?

Was the French press there? Show us.


We already have accounts from people there and they don't mention any knockdown. Nor does the Boston press. You know... the city where the fight took place.


And Langford also admit Johnson was never down.


Not sorry that *** and CRT has triggered you, but we both know why, don't we.


By the way, Johnson beat the tar out of your boy. Beat him into believing he could never beat Johnson. Does that hurt

[GhostofDempsey]

The difference being what Mendoza provided was a self serving, self promoting"quote from Langford trying to hype interest in what at the time was their upcoming rematch in Australia.
I provided ringside reports from Boston newspapers who if they had nay bias would surely have been leaning towards their own Boston boy!
After Woodman and Langford came out with this crap Johnson rebutted it and suggested his doubters consult Tad Dorgan whose piece our friend has posted .
In later years Joe Woodman gave an interview to Nat Fleischer for the Ring in which he stated,and I quote,"you caught me Nat,Sam didn't floor Johnson ,I was just trying to drum up interest in a rematch."
Now why would Woodman Langford's manager say that in print if it were not true?
We know his motive for lying he supplied it himself,but what would be his motive for coming clean and admitting it never happened?
You are entitled to believe what you wish,I'm not here to convert you or anyone else to my opinion.
I'm here to expose Mendoza as a lying hate filled POS and I've been doing it successfully for over 10 years now!
Her April 22nd Langford fought Tiger Smith in London for the Commonwealth Middlweight Title for a purse of £2000.Langford took it easy on his opponent for a couple of round s ,then,when his manager had got the best odds he could hope for Sam cut loose.In the 4th round he unleashed a barrage that prompted the referee to step in and halt the bout.
The NSC audience were favourably impressed with Sam and raised three cheers for him,calling him,
"the real heavyweight champion".Langford cut short their cheers saying.
"Say Boss ,that's not me.
There's a big smoke back home called Jack Johnson who is unbeatable.He licked me in Massachusetts last year and is improving every month."

I provided testimony from Johnson himself. Also from Nat Fleischer. I’m sure you will dismiss both of them in order to “win” the argument.

[travestyny]

I provided testimony from Johnson himself. Also from Nat Fleischer. I’m sure you will dismiss both of them in order to “win” the argument.

No you didn't. You provided testimony from a book that everyone is aware of was ghostwritten.

I'm sure you will ignore all of the evidence that says you are wrong, like you usually do, to attempt to win an argument that everyone knows you've lost.

[The Old LefHook]

I like the rug? Do I?
You forced me to admit nothing I've repeated the contract story on here at least three times previously.
The NSC never offered Johnson$30,000 to fight anyone.
Vienne offered Johnson $ 20,000 to fight Jeannette not Langford,in fight to the finish he later upped it to $25,000 with Johnson to pay his own expenses.Johnson stood out for $30,000,He had accepted $30,000 to fight Jeannette over10rds in NY twice,why would he take less to travel to Paris to fight Jeannette>
The French Federation stripped Johnson of their version of the title and reinstated him a month later.Why are you posting this its common knowledge!

In1910 McIntosh offered Johnson only $15,000 plus expenses to fight Langford,with Johnson to put up the same amount as a guarantee.This was confirmed by Joe Woodman Langford s manager in the El Paso Herald Nov 4th 1910
NO McIntosh never offered Johnson a fight with Jeannette in Australia,Jeannette had never fought there his name meant nothing to Aussies.McIntosh offered Johnson a two fight deal, defences against Langford and McVey both of whom were known there.
Johnson accepted the deal .It was called off when Johnson jumped bail and became a fugitive.McIntosh went into print explaining that he was bowing to public opinion.His statement is in Pollack's book along with many others.

Johnson beat Flynn on the 4th of July1912 Flynn did not win a round and in the opinion of the referee fouled out to save himself from being ko'd.
Johnson got$31,500 for that easy afternoon's work.
Now tell me why the French would want to see a replay of it 3 months later?
Well that' s dealt with your hate agenda for the umpteenth time.I look forward to correcting your lies in the near future.

Yo, rètard. Will you knock off the hate accusations? Are you Travesty's big brother, or what?

[Ivich]

Yo, rètard. Will you knock off the hate accusations? Are you Travesty's big brother, or what?

I respond to posts in the manner they are addressed to me.If Im a ****** what does that make you I've wiped my arse on your arguments so far?
Do you remember when I asked you why you referred to Muhammad Ali as Cassius Clay and you replied because you had too much respect for his Mother?
My response to that was , the following changed their names:
And you'd have no problem referring to them by their adopted names would you
Jersey Joe Walcott .
Joe Louis
Stanley Ketchel
Tommy Burns
Battling Levinsky
Jack Dillon
Ray Robinson
Kid Gavilan
Archie Moore
Jack Delaney
Jack Sharkey
Bat Battalino
Joey Giardello
**** Tiger
Rocky Marciano
Joey Maxim
Freddie Steele
Benny Leonard
Willie Pep
Tony Zale
Rocky Graziano
Joe Dundee
Barney Ross
Henry Armstrong
Lou Ambers
Kid Chocolate
Sammy Mandell
Fritzie Zivic
And I've only listed Champions,there are hundreds of fighters who did so

YOU DID NOT REPLY TO MY QUESTION AND WE KNOW WHY DON'T WE

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TIME FOR HONESTY

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How is it disrespectful to Ali's Mother to refer to him as Ali ,but not disrespectful to do so in the case of all those examples I've named?
I'll tell you what .
You would also not refer to the following fighters by their adopted names would you.

Matt Franklin Saad Muhammad
Eddie Gregory Mustapha Muhammad
Dwight Braxton Muhammad Qawi

WE KNOW WHY YOU WOULDN'T DON'T WE!

At least have the courage of your bigoted opinions.have the balls to nail your colours to your mast!
Don't post deliberately dishonest excuses, you are fooling nobody!


You make a post admonishing me for using the word hater in regards to posters
WTF ARE YOU IF NOT A HATER?

Now remember you came after me ,not I after you.
I didn't call you a ******, you weren't even contributing to the thread but you thought you could get a blow in from the sidelines ,that's absolutely fine
.I'm fair game ,and so are you.

FAIR AND EASY GAME!

[Ivich]

I provided testimony from Johnson himself. Also from Nat Fleischer. I’m sure you will dismiss both of them in order to “win” the argument.

No you provided a ghost written three times translated comic quote.which Johnson emphatically disawowed in
"Jack Johnson In The Ring And Out". Post a contemporary Boston newspaper ,where the fight was held that mentions Langford flooring Johnson .
You won't because none did! Fleischer never claimed Langford floored Johnson.

[Dr. Z]

I provided testimony from Johnson himself. Also from Nat Fleischer. I’m sure you will dismiss both of them in order to “win” the argument.

Yes, Mcvey, Tonto62, he's called Ivich now will. What until I posted testimonials on Johnson vs Flynn and Johnson own words that Hart beat him good. Let him dismiss that too!