Is Mayweather in the running for GOAT?

[dreamroom]

All good points, Lucy.

A man had to be on his way out before Mayweather would think about fighting him. He never fought people as early as he should have, waiting for them to fade, while his defensive style preserved him better. Hoya was finished, Judah was getting along, already demoralized by Tszyu. Mosley had been smashed to pieces twice by Forrest by the time lil' Floyd got to him, and manhandled twice by Winky Wright, and beaten by Cotto, whereas he could have had Mosley when Shane was much more dangerous as a lightweight. About the only fighter Floyd fought when he should have was Chico, and I was shocked at how much smaller Chico was. Mayweather beat the diminutive fellow easily.

I think Mayweather has a bunch of big names on his resume that he got the cheap way, including Pacquiao.

I'll give you Oscar, who is 4 years older, but, Pac is 2 years younger than Floyd, so, they both would've been in their prime at the same time. And Floyd beat Cotto, who was 3 years younger than Floyd, and Mosely both. Zab and Floyd were the same age when they fought, 29. Considered a prime age. If those guys were all the same age or younger than Floyd, if they were "on their way out", wouldn't Floyd be as well? And if he wasn't, wouldn't that make Floyd a better fighter?

[GhostofDempsey]

I'll give you Oscar, who is 4 years older, but, Pac is 2 years younger than Floyd, so, they both would've been in their prime at the same time. And Floyd beat Cotto, who was 3 years younger than Floyd, and Mosely both. Zab and Floyd were the same age when they fought, 29. Considered a prime age. If those guys were all the same age or younger than Floyd, if they were "on their way out", wouldn't Floyd be as well? And if he wasn't, wouldn't that make Floyd a better fighter?

Age is not the only factor when considering a fighter’s prime. Wear and tear, amount of fights, also come into play. Pacquiao was two years younger but he had 17 more fights than Floyd, and many were grueling. Those 17 fights took more out of him than a two year age difference. Floyd is also a defensive and careful fighter, so not a lot of wear and tear.

[dreamroom]

Age is not the only factor when considering a fighter’s prime. Wear and tear, amount of fights, also come into play. Pacquiao was two years younger but he had 17 more fights than Floyd, and many were grueling. Those 17 fights took more out of him than a two year age difference. Floyd is also a defensive and careful fighter, so not a lot of wear and tear.

That said, Floyd's ability to deliver blows without taking return fire is one of the many qualities that makes him great. Fights are scored on the basis of 4 things. 1 Effectiveness aggressiveness, 2.Ring generalship, 3. Clean punches and 4. Defense
I'm not telling you something you don't already know, I'm just giving my reasoning why I feel Floyd is in the GOAT discussion. Very few boxers do all 4 thing consistently well. Floyd is masterful at all 4. Notice there's no points for taking a beating.

[QueensburyRules]

That said, Floyd's ability to deliver blows without taking return fire is one of the many qualities that makes him great. Fights are scored on the basis of 4 things. 1 Effectiveness aggressiveness, 2.Ring generalship, 3. Clean punches and 4. Defense
I'm not telling you something you don't already know, I'm just giving my reasoning why I feel Floyd is in the GOAT discussion. Very few boxers do all 4 thing consistently well. Floyd is masterful at all 4. Notice there's no points for taking a beating.

- - l'l floydy played touches primarily with jabs. Wouldn't put a dent in your snozz, but 100 touches in your hometown wins him his fights.

Outside Vegas, he toast.

[GhostofDempsey]

That said, Floyd's ability to deliver blows without taking return fire is one of the many qualities that makes him great. Fights are scored on the basis of 4 things. 1 Effectiveness aggressiveness, 2.Ring generalship, 3. Clean punches and 4. Defense
I'm not telling you something you don't already know, I'm just giving my reasoning why I feel Floyd is in the GOAT discussion. Very few boxers do all 4 thing consistently well. Floyd is masterful at all 4. Notice there's no points for taking a beating.

Fair points. We all have our own criteria for greatness and what we find entertaining. I would not want to watch a Super Bowl that ends with a score of 3-0. There was likely some great defense played in that game but it would be a dull affair for me. YMMV.

[Amir Imam]

Of course he is in the conversation. If guys like Mosley, De La Hoya, Tyzu wouldn’t have ducked him when he was pretty boy they’d be on his resume earlier. Boxing is a marathon not a sprint. You can’t judge a fighter off one half of his career. You can’t hold guys like Pacquiao weaknesses against Floyd. Most dumbest thing I’ve heard on boxingscene is that Manny is younger but has more “wear and tear”. Is it Floyd fault that he took care of his body better, didn’t drink alcohol like Manny, had better defense and didn’t get into wars with C level guys like Jeff Horn, Sangsurat? That should be another reason Floyd is ranked ahead of Pacquiao and others. MP has 72 fights Floyd has 50. You all acting like Manny fought killers his entire career. Here’s Manny first 30 opponents.


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[Amir Imam]

Floyd has only fought 2 fighters coming off loss compared to EIGHT for Pacquiao

only had two catchweights

champion in 5 weight classes

Faced 14 fighters coming off KO wins

beat Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Oscar, Canelo, Hernandez, Corrales, Madaina, Gatti, Judah, Hatton (only one of these were at catchweight)

He beat a doped up Pacquio who had admittedly took banned substances.

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[The Old LefHook]

Of course he is in the conversation. If guys like Mosley, De La Hoya, Tyzu wouldn’t have ducked him when he was pretty boy they’d be on his resume earlier. Boxing is a marathon not a sprint. You can’t judge a fighter off one half of his career. You can’t hold guys like Pacquiao weaknesses against Floyd. Most dumbest thing I’ve heard on boxingscene is that Manny is younger but has more “wear and tear”. Is it Floyd fault that he took care of his body better, didn’t drink alcohol like Manny, had better defense and didn’t get into wars with C level guys like Jeff Horn, Sangsurat? That should be another reason Floyd is ranked ahead of Pacquiao and others. MP has 72 fights Floyd has 50. You all acting like Manny fought killers his entire career. Here’s Manny first 30 opponents.


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We are not talking about whose fault it is, we are talking about the facts of the matter. The fact is, Floyd fought them when they were past it, slightly or well past.. It doesn't matter who ducked whom. I guess you actually do not understand that. It happened, regardless of who is responsible for it happening.

Son, you may not award legacy points for what a man might have done if circumstances had been different. Not a single point. No other fighter gets that dispensation. Why should Mayweather?

Mayweather had a style that preserved him. Other fighters employ attacking styles. You are not really going to tell me the wear and tear on the practitioners of both styles is about the same are you? Especially true for the best defensive fighter of his generation.

Under your logic, Marciano and Locche would have the same wear and tear on them if they fought the same number of rounds in their careers. That is where your theory leads.

[QueensburyRules]

Floyd has only fought 2 fighters coming off loss compared to EIGHT for Pacquiao

only had two catchweights

champion in 5 weight classes

Faced 14 fighters coming off KO wins

beat Pacquiao, Mosley, Cotto, Oscar, Canelo, Hernandez, Corrales, Madaina, Gatti, Judah, Hatton (only one of these were at catchweight)

He beat a doped up Pacquio who had admittedly took banned substances.

- - What CatchGrade U in now?

2nd and 1/half grade?

What banned substances?

Y l'l floydy have a testa count below near 90 yr old Arum?

How many backdated TUE the l'l tyke have?

[dreamroom]

We are not talking about whose fault it is, we are talking about the facts of the matter. The fact is, Floyd fought them when they were past it, slightly or well past.. It doesn't matter who ducked whom. I guess you actually do not understand that. It happened, regardless of who is responsible for it happening.

Son, you may not award legacy points for what a man might have done if circumstances had been different. Not a single point. No other fighter gets that dispensation. Why should Mayweather?

Mayweather had a style that preserved him. Other fighters employ attacking styles. You are not really going to tell me the wear and tear on the practitioners of both styles is about the same are you? Especially true for the best defensive fighter of his generation.

Under your logic, Marciano and Locche would have the same wear and tear on them if they fought the same number of rounds in their careers. That is where your theory leads.

The main idea in boxing is to land clean punches without getting punched. Mike Tyson did it by overwhelming his opponent. That preserved him, as 20 of his fights were 1 round knockouts. Floyd has great defense and throws clean accurate punches. He had 27 KO's that way. That's what preserved him. The first thing we're coached on before our first sparring session is defense. I think the casual boxing fan has little appreciation for defense. They think surviving beatings as being tough. Can Floyd take a punch? Well, he's 50-0 with 27 KO's, many wins against champions, so of course he can. Can he survive a beating? Who knows. Nobody was good enough to give him a beating. Floyd Mayweather Jr. one of the A.T.G.'s.