Has there ever been a minimum weight limit for HW?

[QueensburyRules]

Wrong! There has never been a minimum weight which a fighter needs to make to qualify for a heavyweight title shot needs to make to qualify for a heavyweight title shot.

Sullivan defended his title numerous times in gloved contests against men under 170lbs!

Fitzsimmons was under 175lbs, Burns 168 Both Burns and Fitz defended the title weighing less than170lbs! ,Carpentier 172 .Conn168lbs .

Explain to the Forum why Cooper ,according to you, had weights in his trunks at the weigh in, but still scaled lighter than he had in his previous fight ,and lighter than he would in his next fight? How exactly does that work?
Also explain why he would need to put weights in his trunks anyway, as there has never been a minimum weight for a boxer to challenge the heavyweight champion?
Do you know what makes you so ridiculous?
It isn't that you are ******,it's that you think you're pretty smart! DELUSIONAL!LOL

- - What part of "before that" and Sir 'enery testimony does U fail to understand?

[Willie Pep 229]

Here is the Nevada Unarmed Combat Regulations wording:

NAC 467.7956

1.  . . . [T]he classes for unarmed combatants who are boxers and the weights for each class are shown in the following schedule . . .

Middleweight ........................ over 154 to 160 lbs.

Heavyweight ................................. all over 195 lbs.

So here lies the rub.

If I conclude that "all over 195 lbs" is considered a minimum required weight to compete as a HW, do I then conclude that a WW who wants to contend for the MW Title, would be forced to gain weight, even if it is to his disadvantage to do so, so as to meet the 154 minimum?

I am not sure how to read this!

Does anyone know if the WBC or WBA has ever posted a comprehensive listing of their regulations?

[Ivich]

- - What part of "before that" and Sir 'enery testimony does U fail to understand?

Will you shoot yourself if I supply the bullets? I use the plural because its odds on the first few tries you'll miss your brain!

[Ivich]

Here is the Nevada Unarmed Combat Regulations wording:

NAC 467.7956

1.  . . . [T]he classes for unarmed combatants who are boxers and the weights for each class are shown in the following schedule . . .

Middleweight ........................ over 154 to 160 lbs.

Heavyweight ................................. all over 195 lbs.

So here lies the rub.

If I conclude that "all over 195 lbs" is considered a minimum required weight to compete as a HW, do I then conclude that a WW who wants to contend for the MW Title, would be forced to gain weight, even if it is to his disadvantage to do so, so as to meet the 154 minimum?

I am not sure how to read this!

Does anyone know if the WBC or WBA has ever posted a comprehensive listing of their regulations?

Where does it state in any alphabet organizations rules that there is a minimum weight required for a boxer to make to fight a heavyweight? When has that ever been a requirement? Back in the 1900s when there were just state AC's
1900's
While a heavyweight
Jeffries fought;
Fitz 172lbs
Fitz167lbs
Choynski 167lbs

Johnson fought;
Lang 174lbs
Flynn174lbs
O Brien162lbs

1920's
Dempsey fought;
Carpentier 172lbs


Tunney fought;
Greb 167lbs
Smith 166lbs


1930's
Over stuffed middle fighting at under 175lbs Mickey Walker fought heavyweights'
Schaaf
Ruggirello
Risko x2
Schmeling
Uzcudun
Wright
Levinsky
Christner

1940's Charley Burley 151lbs fought Jay D Turner219 1/2lbs

[Willie Pep 229]

Where does it state in any alphabet organizations rules that there is a minimum weight required for a boxer to make to fight a heavyweight? When has that ever been a requirement? Back in the 1900s when there were just state AC's
1900's
While a heavyweight
Jeffries fought;
Fitz 172lbs
Fitz167lbs
Choynski 167lbs

Johnson fought;
Lang 174lbs
Flynn174lbs
O Brien162lbs

1920's
Dempsey fought;
Carpentier 172lbs


Tunney fought;
Greb 167lbs
Smith 166lbs


1930's
Over stuffed middle fighting at under 175lbs Mickey Walker fought heavyweights'
Schaaf
Ruggirello
Risko x2
Schmeling
Uzcudun
Wright
Levinsky
Christner

1940's Charley Burley 151lbs fought Jay D Turner219 1/2lbs

I don't know, that's why I asked if anyone knows if they are posted anywhere.

Did you read my post completely?

You need not repeat the list of former contenders and champions under 190 lbs . . . my post TRIES to make it clear I am ambivalent about the issue and I am trying to locate the written rules.

With that said . . . what is your interpretation on the Nevada wording? I think maybe it is more concerned with how a fight gets identified for marketing purposes than it is concerned with limiting participation. But as you state the real litmus test here is what the scantioning bodies think.

[Ivich]

I don't know, that's why I asked if anyone knows if they are posted anywhere.

Did you read my post completely?

You need not repeat the list of former contenders and champions under 190 lbs . . . my post TRIES to make it clear I am ambivalent about the issue and I am trying to locate the written rules.

With that said . . . what is your interpretation on the Nevada wording? I think maybe it is more concerned with how a fight gets identified for marketing purposes than it is concerned with limiting participation. But as you state the real litmus test here is what the scantioning bodies think.

I wasnt cross examining you Mr Papaleo, I was rather musing out loud.I've no idea what Nevada rules are,I just find it extraordinary that in the major boxing country in the world ,they have never had the wit or desire to make their rules nationally applicable.

[QueensburyRules]

Will you shoot yourself if I supply the bullets? I use the plural because its odds on the first few tries you'll miss your brain!

- - What part of "before that" and Sir 'enery testimony does U eminent ignorance fail to understand?

[Willie Pep 229]

I wasnt cross examining you Mr Papaleo, I was rather musing out loud.I've no idea what Nevada rules are,I just find it extraordinary that in the major boxing country in the world ,they have never had the wit or desire to make their rules nationally applicable.

They tried back in the 1990s with the Muhammad Ali Law.

Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act, which provided professional fighters with financial, health and safety safeguards that didn’t previously exist, such as mandatory financial disclosures from promoters and managers to the boxers.

Senator John McCain tried first to get Congress to create a National Boxing Commission but Congress saw no constitutional empowerment to allow them to form such a commission, as it would mean they were running a national sport league, but did accept that their power to regulate interstate commerce gave them the power to regulate promotional contracts and management-fighter relationships, i.e. contracts.

Still would like to know what are the comprehensive scantioning body rules. I can't seem to find any such transparency.

[Willow The Wisp]

I belieie Conn actually weighed 168lbs.

Unofficially, it was rumored.

[Willie Pep 229]

Unofficially, it was rumored.

Wasn't Conn the one who uninentally caused Joe Louis to quip " He can run but he can't hide."

The news guys asked Billy if he would be bulking up for his coming bout with Louis, Conn replied no, he would stay at his natural weight and beat Louis with his speed. Upon hearing Conn's replied, and with that wonderful dry wit he always displayed, Louis replied thus.