Pac Man Is He A Top Ten P4P?

[Amir Imam]

- - What grade U in now?

4x 4th?

Learn how to read.

[QueensburyRules]

Learn how to read.

- - U top of 4th grade class after U 4th try exemplary.

[Amir Imam]

- - U top of 4th grade class after U 4th try exemplary.

You can’t even spell. Shut up.

[just the facts]

Vs his two most significant opponents (JMM and Floyd), Pac is 2-2-1 with two razor thin wins, a draw, an out cold knockout loss, and a lopsided decision loss.

Not the stuff top 10 all time is made of.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Modern numerical P4P statistics prove Manny as the Ring P4P King in Total Fights, Wins, KOs, and consecutive years ranked against fellow Ring Ranked P4Pers who pale in comparison.

A fighter can only fight in his era and can do no more than that save up in Valhalla where controversies are sorted out in finality.

[Ivich]

Vs his two most significant opponents (JMM and Floyd), Pac is 2-2-1 with two razor thin wins, a draw, an out cold knockout loss, and a lopsided decision loss.

Not the stuff top 10 all time is made of.

Marquez 48-3-1 is a more significant opponent than;

Cotto 34-1-0
Mosley 46-1-1
DeLaHoya39-5-0
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Add to those
Hatton 45-1-0
Bradley31-1-1 & 31-0-0
Barrera 57-3-0
Morales 48-4-0
Clottey35-3-0
Vargas27-1-0
Alghieri 20-0-0
Rios 31-1-1
Solis 34-0-2
Velasquez42-10-2
Julio 44-3-0
Diaz34-1-1
Margarito 38-6-0
Broner 33-3-1
Thurman 29-0-0
Matthysse39-4-4
835 fights with only 43 defeats between them

Marquez kod him but he beat Juan Ma twice.He lost to Mayweather? Who didn't?

Alvarez lost to Mayweather,so did DeLa Hoya and they were naturally nearer him in weight.

Cotto had lost just 1 fight, to Margarito which may have been as the result of tampered gloves, he had
beaten,Judah,Mosley,Quintana,Urkal,and Malinaggi.
Manny floored him twice and stopped him in the last round,something neither Mayorga,Mayweather,Trout or Alvarez could manage.

At the age of 40 Pacquiao took on the unbeatenThurman floored him and decisively beat him to take his Super Welter title at a weight 40lbs from where he started boxing at Flyweight!
Pacquiao consistently went up in weight, taking on the best in each division.

[just the facts]

Marquez 48-3-1 is a more significant opponent than;

Cotto 34-1-0
Mosley 46-1-1
DeLaHoya39-5-0
??????????????
Add to those
Hatton 45-1-0
Bradley31-1-1 & 31-0-0
Barrera 57-3-0
Morales 48-4-0
Clottey35-3-0
Vargas27-1-0
Alghieri 20-0-0
Rios 31-1-1
Solis 34-0-2
Velasquez42-10-2
Julio 44-3-0
Diaz34-1-1
Margarito 38-6-0
Broner 33-3-1
Thurman 29-0-0
Matthysse39-4-4
835 fights with only 43 defeats between them

Marquez kod him but he beat Juan Ma twice.He lost to Mayweather? Who didn't?

Alvarez lost to Mayweather,so did DeLa Hoya and they were naturally nearer him in weight.

Cotto had lost just 1 fight, to Margarito which may have been as the result of tampered gloves, he had
beaten,Judah,Mosley,Quintana,Urkal,and Malinaggi.
Manny floored him twice and stopped him in the last round,something neither Mayorga,Mayweather,Trout or Alvarez could manage.

At the age of 40 Pacquiao took on the unbeatenThurman floored him and decisively beat him to take his Super Welter title at a weight 40lbs from where he started boxing at Flyweight!
Pacquiao consistently went up in weight, taking on the best in each division.

All great accomplishments. Pac is a 1st ballot HOFer, all time great and everything that goes with that. But for the reasons I posted, not top 10 all time in boxing’s looooooong history. If it makes you feel better, Floyd isn’t in my top 10 either. Canelo isn’t in my top 20.

[DeeMoney]

I think this comes down to what your criteria is. If longevity, moving through weight classes, and collecting belts are it...then he could probably make in in many top 10s. If its how good they were in their prime, relative to the weight class they were in; then probably not.

This also could be an example of how many people have 15+ in their top 10. Meaning many will see or hear a name and proclaim them to be in their top 10, then another and another, and eventually they end up with 15-20 in their top 10. Its not just boxing, people often have more than ten in their top 10 bands or movies too. But when they think about it, and have to trim some off, there are good choices that fall by the way side. I imagine even for those that put Pac in their top 10, that when they start to really look at all the other greats, theyd find at least 10 others who were better.

[Ivich]

All great accomplishments. Pac is a 1st ballot HOFer, all time great and everything that goes with that. But for the reasons I posted, not top 10 all time in boxing’s looooooong history. If it makes you feel better, Floyd isn’t in my top 10 either. Canelo isn’t in my top 20.

Doesn't make me feel anything I'm just trying to make it worth my while coming on this forum by endeavouring to stimulate debate
Floyd isn't in my ten either and I don't rate fighters until they have retired.
So many arsey, combative remarks from complete strangers, it's becoming wearisome here.

[The Old LefHook]

I really doubt if Pac is top ten. Ironically, if he had stuck around in the lightweight division he might be in the top 10 now. One thing for sure, he is not even top 20 as a welterweight.