Jeannette,Langford,McVey.Would They Have Defended Against Johnson?

[Willow The Wisp]

Just trying to make it worth logging on.I've been away for 2 weeks and not much seems to have happened during that time.If I'm monopolising the forum with poor posts presumably they will soon be relegated due to lack of response?
I think Johnson proved he was more than ,"slightly better ,"than the other three myself.

You're fine bud.

[travestyny]

Didnt Hugh Mcintosh offer $50k for Langford-Johnson in Australia only to have Johnson nack out with the famous quote "im not fighting him. That little smoke has a chance to beat anybody".

And if it were just a matter of money can anyone tell me who put up the 30k to have a fight with no hope Battling Jim Johnson?

He accepted the fight with Langford in Australia. The Jim Johnson fight was a money grab (I can't remember the exact amount but it was nowhere near 30,000...more like $5000) that was to take place less than a month from the main course, which was Frank Moran for a bit more than 30,000. The fight was pushed back after Johnson broke his arm in the Johnson fight.

[travestyny]

McVey and JJohnson were running buddies, so maybe hold an exhibition that gets out of hand is the best I can come up with for them.

McVey and JJohnson sparred immediately before the Willard fight. But as you can tell, it probably wasn't very competitive. Johnson wasn't in good shape and McVey wasn't really going to take it to him right before the fight.

[edgarg]

I believe they would have found the same forces aligned against them as Johnny did, and done the same.

No they wouldn't. Johnson was a stick it in your face guy, married white women , did all he could to stir up hate against him. I assume that it was partly his rebellious nature, and also to make the gates and film rights bigger with more money flowing in from whity hoping he'd be beaten. He was a very big spender and always needed money, lots of it.

[edgarg]

What's also interesting....

Would they want to give a chance to someone who has already beaten them? In some instances, apparently beaten them pretty badly.

You took almost the same words out of my mouth. They didn't have Johnson's massive ego. and they knew that Johnson was much better than they were. They=ir promoters or managers would not have allowed the fights to have been made.

[edgarg]

Sewing plenty of threadstarting seeds there buddy. Quantity over.......Well I'll participate. None of the black heavyweights had a whole lot of leverage towards who promoters would put up funds to put them in against, I'd guess, much less influence over which local city councils would welcome the events. But my answer officially would be "How would I know?". Johnson, regardless of these lost opportunities while champion, was a slightly better heavyweight than the other three, if only just.

Don't be silly. A hell of a lot more than"just".

[edgarg]

Wasn't Tunney a Catholic? What in particular leads you to say Johnson has a history of not being great to his fellow blacks prior to him winning the title?

That, of course is not true. He fought them all multiple times and nearly always beat them, If he didn't it was likely arranged that way, because he was far superior to all of them. He fought Langford only once, Langford had been fighting for 5 years already and was no novice, though many like to say he was. Johnson nearly half killed him, holding him up when he was going down, and so forth. And still KD'd him 3 times. There's no doubt but that Johnson could have KOd him at any time. He was massively strong.

[QueensburyRules]

That, of course is not true. He fought them all multiple times and nearly always beat them, If he didn't it was likely arranged that way, because he was far superior to all of them. He fought Langford only once, Langford had been fighting for 5 years already and was no novice, though many like to say he was. Johnson nearly half killed him, holding him up when he was going down, and so forth. And still KD'd him 3 times. There's no doubt but that Johnson could have KOd him at any time. He was massively strong.

- - Sam in his 2nd heavywt bout made Jack infamously duck the Sam rematch for the remainder of his career.

Like a modern day Broner, JJ was flushing easy money down the drain if U to be believed.

[GhostofDempsey]

I suspect they would have. Especially since they would have wanted some retribution for their prior losses to him while they were still novices or considerably smaller.

[travestyny]

I suspect they would have. Especially since they would have wanted some retribution for their prior losses to him while they were still novices or considerably smaller.

You believe they would think about retribution over money?

For example, if Langford had gotten to Burns and came away with the title and he's offered Stanley Ketchel for $30,000 and Jack Johnson for $5000, you believe he chooses Johnson?