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  • QueensburyRules
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    #11
    Originally posted by The Old LefHook
    When you have enough achievements flakiness cannot hold back recognition and esteem. Yeats was probably more of a mystic than Doyle and won the Nobel prize for literature.

    Gratitude To The Unknown Instructors

    What they undertook to do they brought to pass.
    All things hang like a drop of dew upon a blade of grass.
    - - U feelin' dew droppy hangy thingy dewey upon U grass?

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      #12
      Originally posted by billeau2

      Indeed! Hard to believe that he created such a deductive mastermind! Doyle also had some medical training, I believe he wanted to be a doctor at some point... Was dear friends with Houdini though they had some bruh hahas lol.
      He WAS a doctor, Practiced for years, but never made a living at it. He was actually poverty stricken. That's why he began writing. He didn't "invent" Holmes. Holmes was based on a Professor, that Doyle had at medical school, who would analyse and demonstrate how to arrive at a correct diagnosis. This is a well known fact. Dr. Joseph Bell.

      Doyle also wrote a very famous boxing story called "Rodney Stone" some years before and still immensely popular at that time. Early movies were made of it.

      Interestingly he was a brother-in-law of E.W. Hornung, who invented " the character of Raffles, the Amateur Cracksman"..

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        #13
        Originally posted by edgarg

        He WAS a doctor, Practiced for years, but never made a living at it. He was actually poverty stricken. That's why he began writing. He didn't "invent" Holmes. Holmes was based on a Professor, that Doyle had at medical school, who would analyse and demonstrate how to arrive at a correct diagnosis. This is a well known fact. Dr. Joseph Bell.

        Doyle also wrote a very famous boxing story called "Rodney Stone" some years before and still immensely popular at that time. Early movies were made of it.

        Interestingly he was a brother-in-law of E.W. Hornung, who invented " the character of Raffles, the Amateur Cracksman"..
        He did "invent" Holmes... He invented him primarily from that professor... But Holmes was not an exact fascimile of that professor. Sheesh grand poo pa stop correcting that which does not need to be corrected. At that time medical procedure, specifically Forensic pathology as taught and as performed reflected new empirical and scientific methods... so a lot of characters of the sort were around... It wasn't just Bell. Holmes was a nod to this new development. One should also remember that Doyle was friends with Houdini, which perhaps also influenced some of Holmes attributes...

        HOlmes set a lineage. The Shadow and Batman both owe a nod to Holmes for their own origination!

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          #14
          Sir Arthur was great friends with Houdini until their very divergent views regarding spiritualism divided them. In the end Houdini threatened to sue Dole regarding his claims that Houdini was indeed completing his effects via supernatural means.

          Dole was very well educated but Houdini pointed out the simplest trick would confound him with his only solution being the supernatural.

          As examples he believed the scenes of dinosaurs in this 1917 film were real:

          https://*************/watch?v=nlYKntBz9y8

          Dole also believed the obviously fake photos of fairies that created a sensation were real:



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            #15
            - - I see faeries every time I go out.

            When I transferred to UT, we had some unusual cultists who built model pyramids that would sharpen their razors and pencils.

            Had a friend who raced his 500 H2 Kawasaki that sold me his spare expansion chambers for my stripped down, souped up H2 Cafe Racer back in the day. He had a library of Astrology books and ate, shyte, slept, and went to school based on those forecasts and presumably raced by the same.

            Unwittingly got involved with a lovely who had the most beautiful blue eyes that you could just dive into who ended up being from a family of witches and warlocks as she related after belatedly informing me I had "The Mark of the Devil" upon me.

            Well, my dream HS girlfriend was a dead ringer for I Dream of Jeannie that did more for the NASA space program as the genie in a bottle found by splashed down astronaut Tony when he washed ashore an abandoned tropical Island.







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            • Willie Pep 229
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              #16
              Sherlock Holmes used inductive, not deductive reasoning to arrive at his conclusions. Doyle didn't even get that correct.

              Inductive reasoning is a method of drawing conclusions by going from the specific to the general. It's usually contrasted with deductive reasoning, where you go from general information to specific conclusions.

              Then again maybe not . . . Someone argue with me.

              EDIT: After some thought - he is doing both but referring to it all as deductive.

              When he sees few scratches on an old watch he concludes a meticulous man must have owned it. (Inductive)

              When he knows there should be blood and there isn't, he looks to see if the rug has been moved, and finds the blood stain underneath. (Deductive)

              ???????

              I'm not sure.
              Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 05-09-2022, 09:46 AM.

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              • The Old LefHook
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                #17
                There were greater masters of literature to read. Couldn't waste much time on Doyle.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by The Old LefHook
                  There were greater masters of literature to read. Couldn't waste much time on Doyle.
                  True - I ended up reading the entire Doyle canon and it lost its appeal as I pressed on.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229
                    Doyle wrote some good Holmes stuff - but he was a flake who believed in magic, fairies, and had a flake wife who was a practicing medium.

                    Wouldn't suprise me a bit that Rickard made the offer to both Doyle and Taft.

                    But i would argue it was a publicity stunt by Rickard. I am sure all the old time western heroes were mentioned as well, Wyatt Earp, Bat Masterson, ETC.

                    Johnson was being very very difficult (careful) about who would referee the fight..
                    I agree.
                    Doyle deserves great praise and recognition for being the writer/creator of Sherlock Holmes . However him and his wife were scumbags. They were scamming people with that spiritualism trash. It's why Houdini hated him so much.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by The Old LefHook
                      There were greater masters of literature to read. Couldn't waste much time on Doyle.
                      The influence the Sherlock Holmes works have had on media as a whole is somewhat significant wouldn't you say?

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