Marciano and his management

[GhostofDempsey]

Is hitting below the belt a foul?
Is hitting your opponent whilst he is down a foul?
Is hitting after the bell a foul?
Is butting a foul?
Yes?
No?
Marciano committed all these in the three examples I showed.
What context excuses these fouls?
I made the posts because Left Hook stated Marciano was a gentleman inside the ring and accused me of slander for daring to disagree with him and telling me to provide evidence I was right and he was wrong.I provided the evidence. I was right,and he was wrong!

I'm just adding context to your posts. You're trying to make it seem like it was a one-sided affair and Rocky was doing all of the rough stuff. I'm suggesting he may have been retaliating after he had been repeatedly fouled. It's a plausible possibility.

[Ivich]

I'm just adding context to your posts. You're trying to make it seem like it was a one-sided affair and Rocky was doing all of the rough stuff. I'm suggesting he may have been retaliating after he had been repeatedly fouled. It's a plausible possibility.

But nobody has ever suggested it was correct .Why did Marciano lose points against Lastarza for low blows,was he merely retaliating then too?

[GhostofDempsey]

But nobody has ever suggested it was correct .Why did Marciano lose points against Lastarza for low blows,was he merely retaliating then too?

It's possible. I saw LaStarza pushing Rock's head down quite a bit, which could cause a low blow if Rocky is punching while having his head shoved down. I also saw LaStarza throw some of his own lows blows. Again, you're laying the ground work for Rocky being a dirty fighter without taking into account his opponents tactics also. For a guy who claims to have watched Marciano/****ell 25x you sure missed a lot.

[Ivich]

It's possible. I saw LaStarza pushing Rock's head down quite a bit, which could cause a low blow if Rocky is punching while having his head shoved down. I also saw LaStarza throw some of his own lows blows. Again, you're laying the ground work for Rocky being a dirty fighter without taking into account his opponents tactics also. For a guy who claims to have watched Marciano/****ell 25x you sure missed a lot.

If that was the case why wasnt Lastarza deducted points too?
Why didn't the press complain about ****ell's fouls only Marciano's?
For a guy whose only seen highlights you sure saw a lot! lol

[GhostofDempsey]

If that was the case why wasnt Lastarza deducted points too?
Why didn't the press complain about ****ell's fouls only Marciano's?
For a guy whose only seen highlights you sure saw a lot! lol

The press has one vantage point watching the fight. It was fought live in front of them. No instant replays, no Youtube to examine the fight more closely. Have you ever sat ringside at a fight before? It's clearly not the best seat in the house. How many people were convinced Dempsey hit Sharkey with a low blow for all these decades, until we watch it again and can see it was on the belt line and Sharkey was just getting tired of being hit to the body looked for help from the ref? Sharkey wasn't known as the "weeping warrior" for nothing.

I seriously doubt that a man who vehemently tries to discredit Marciano actually watched one of his fights 25x from beginning to end.

[Ivich]

The press has one vantage point watching the fight. It was fought live in front of them. No instant replays, no Youtube to examine the fight more closely. Have you ever sat ringside at a fight before? It's clearly not the best seat in the house. How many people were convinced Dempsey hit Sharkey with a low blow for all these decades, until we watch it again and can see it was on the belt line and Sharkey was just getting tired of being hit to the body looked for help from the ref? Sharkey wasn't known as the "weeping warrior" for nothing.

I seriously doubt that a man who vehemently tries to discredit Marciano actually watched one of his fights 25x from beginning to end.

The press had the luxury of re-watching the unedited fight at a later date.Any of them recant on their original opinions? Don't call me a liar,just because you've run out of excuses.Marciano's collection was the third that I bought,after Dempsey and Louis,Im a big fan of his,but I'm not an apologist for his shortcomings,and that's called being objective!

[GhostofDempsey]

The press had the luxury of re-watching the unedited fight at a later date.Any of them recant on their original opinions? Don't call me a liar,just because you've run out of excuses.Marciano's collection was the third that I bought,after Dempsey and Louis,Im a big fan of his,but I'm not an apologist for his shortcomings,and that's called being objective!

So now the press had the luxury of re-watching it later to recant their original reporting...yeah okay, I'm sure that actually happened often, LOL. You keep pulling more get out of jail free cards out of your ass each time someone rebuts your opinions, which aren't facts.

[Ivich]

So now the press had the luxury of re-watching it later to recant their original reporting...yeah okay, I'm sure that actually happened often, LOL. You keep pulling more get out of jail free cards out of your ass each time someone rebuts your opinions, which aren't facts.

My point being none of them ever revised their opinions did they?I doubt you've ever watched the fight myself.

[GhostofDempsey]

My point being none of them ever revised their opinions did they?I doubt you've ever watched the fight myself.

Of course they wouldn't, they would have to admit they got it wrong, and tarnish their credibility. Not to mention how time consuming it would be to re-watch all of these fights and analyze them like the Warren Commission.

[billeau2]

Ghost stated ****ell was guilty of many fouls ,he made this observation from watching highlights of the fight and suggested I do so implying I wasn't familar with them.
1,I own the whole fight and have done so for over 50 years.
2.I don't see all these fouls he says ****ell committed.Do You?
3.No ringside report I've ever read mentions these many fouls by ****ell.
4.Ghost says in mitigation for Marciano's repetitive fouling that he may have been retaliating for ****ell's dirty tactics.This is palpable nonsense.As the US writers stated Marciano fouled all night.
5.It isnt a legitimate point when the substance of it is totally BS.
6. I came here for argument and debate what I've seen so far from you and three others is a load of hero fanboy worship with a blatant disregard for the facts,and excusing them by saying I'm biased because I'm a Brit this from yourself.My Grandchildren know more about boxing history than you. I require no worship ,I'm an average boxing fan with no special knowledge ,but I do like to get to the truth.
7. Your opinion of me ,whether good or bad is totally valueless as far as I'm concerned, as is your opinion on boxing and all things related to it.
8..Your pathetic apologies for fouling , your nauseating idolatry and desperate excuses would be laughable if they were't so needy and sad.
9. I've two requests from you.
A. Watch the Marciano,v ****ell fight and tell me who is committing all the fouls.
B.Read the next day ringside fight reports and tell me what the opinion of those ringside reporters was,did they think Marciano continually fouled ****ell or not?

10.****ell would not have beaten Marciano, even if Marciano had not committed a single foul he simply was not good enough.However if the fight had been held in the UK[some chance!] Marciano would have been DSQ'd!

Lol who cares grand poo pa. You own the finest tin throne....

You came here to show how much you know... and it turns out that you got taught a bit of a lesson. The Brit comment was out of line, I apologize for that. other than that? You got just desserts my friend. And I can call you an Old Fck because I am one as well .

You seem obsessed with knowledge as though it is a quantifiable entity, like soda pop... "I have 3 cases of knowledge you havent one" type deal... Ignorant lol. A lot of knowledge comes from collaberation and accepting different view points... working together. People learn that way instead of lecturing people about how much knowledge you have lol.

I would not waste a New York Minute on any request from you. You are outrageous. At least the trolls are ignorant... They can be excused for their behavoir. Your obviously knowlegable and have been on forums, your older and supposed to have wised up... I hold you in contempt... You KNOW BETTER! and CHOOSE to act like an AZZ!