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Heres Joe Reffing the Frazier vs quarry 2 fight. Clearly hes the biggest man in the ring. Some how in his prime he was considered smaller though, but that pot belly makes him so much more formidable. He's probably around 240 here, right in line with modern heavies weight, although not as big and athletic as a guy like andy ruiz. If perhaps He was capable of eating as many cheesburgers as Ruiz he might have a fighting chance.
https://youtu.be/SH-CgNI4eQU
Heres this classic photo, with Willard beside Baer making him look like is child, its funny cause Louis looked small beside Baer, and Frazier and quarry look small beside Louis. whats even more baffling is the smallest boxer in this photo put dents in willards head.
Willard looks as though hes about a popcan taller than Carnera who is listed at 6 ft 5 (and a big 6 ft 5 thouroughbred) which means willard is about 6 ft 8. although over the years it keeps changing because they lied on his original measurements to make the dempsey fght look more competitive. He's officially listed at 6 ft 7 now, and years prior it was 6 ft 5, we all know that isn't true by looking at this photo.
Foreman, Louis and Archie here. Foreman is about Baers size by the looks of it.
so theres 2 reasons why people get deluded by weight categories. esp at HW with no limit they often carry weight they don't need. In the older days fighters trained for boxing, they didn't carry excess weight - they carried what they needed. They didn't over develope their thighs on a squat rack and do bench presses with creatine. no they conditioned what they used. Which makes perfect sense, but strength and conditioning coaches with degrees know nothing about boxing and will gas light old trainers with 100's of years of experience to draw from.
when people talk about fighters moving up now "properly" as an excuse to say look what we can do now, I got one answer for that : TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) thats pretty much answers that question. Fighters simply jack up on drugs now. now if you gave old timers TRT they would be literal murderers because they lived so hard and trained so tough they had copious amounts to begin with - but a good deal of Tysons acting up after prison I'm willin to bet was TEST therapy they were jabbing him with - someone who doesn't need anymore.
If you injected Marciano with test, a man they said had to just pick a barbell up to develop muscle - he would have been an absolute murderer - unstoppable - which he sort of was already.
https://youtu.be/SH-CgNI4eQU
Heres this classic photo, with Willard beside Baer making him look like is child, its funny cause Louis looked small beside Baer, and Frazier and quarry look small beside Louis. whats even more baffling is the smallest boxer in this photo put dents in willards head.
Willard looks as though hes about a popcan taller than Carnera who is listed at 6 ft 5 (and a big 6 ft 5 thouroughbred) which means willard is about 6 ft 8. although over the years it keeps changing because they lied on his original measurements to make the dempsey fght look more competitive. He's officially listed at 6 ft 7 now, and years prior it was 6 ft 5, we all know that isn't true by looking at this photo.
Foreman, Louis and Archie here. Foreman is about Baers size by the looks of it.
so theres 2 reasons why people get deluded by weight categories. esp at HW with no limit they often carry weight they don't need. In the older days fighters trained for boxing, they didn't carry excess weight - they carried what they needed. They didn't over develope their thighs on a squat rack and do bench presses with creatine. no they conditioned what they used. Which makes perfect sense, but strength and conditioning coaches with degrees know nothing about boxing and will gas light old trainers with 100's of years of experience to draw from.
when people talk about fighters moving up now "properly" as an excuse to say look what we can do now, I got one answer for that : TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) thats pretty much answers that question. Fighters simply jack up on drugs now. now if you gave old timers TRT they would be literal murderers because they lived so hard and trained so tough they had copious amounts to begin with - but a good deal of Tysons acting up after prison I'm willin to bet was TEST therapy they were jabbing him with - someone who doesn't need anymore.
If you injected Marciano with test, a man they said had to just pick a barbell up to develop muscle - he would have been an absolute murderer - unstoppable - which he sort of was already.
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