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Best British fighters of the last 20 years.

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  • #11
    Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post
    How the heck does Hamed make the list? He had one fight in the last 20 years. Are we to believe his decision over Manuel Calvo is enough to solely make this list? Ditto for Lennox, who in the past 20 years had only two pro fights; granted KOs of Tyson and Vitali standout a bit more, but c'mon.

    I think the author should change his timeline to make this article a bit more viable.
    I think it means those who have had a fight within the last 20 years, but then how good they were at their peak/their careers. Naz last fought in 2002 years ago, so going by that can still be included. Nash out.

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    • #12
      Nash just made registered, thoroughbred halfwit.

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      • #13
        If it's not Joe Calzaghe, then I don't know who it is.
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        • #14
          Nigel Benn? I think that was more than 20 years ago, wasn't it?

          To me, Hamed was a farce finally exposed. On the same level as Popo, who also got exposed. Sheer athletes who knew very little of boxing's rudiments but moved and swung without orthodoxy. Marty, the ex middleweight champion and pedal pusher, was out of this mold too.

          Lewis or Calzaghe. Otherwise, British fighters normally get exposed as having been massively overrated by their rabid home crowd.

          It has to be Lewis because of the lack of depth in Calzaghe's ledger. To claim Ho'kins or Roy Jones were in their primes at the time of their fights with Calzaghe is plumb laughable, and does my work for me. Like the high score in gymnastics, that gets thrown out.

          What is that song the British break out in at fights? I always want them smashed to bits for that, to use their own phrase.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Nash out View Post
            1. Tyson Fury - Has everything. Has a case to say he could beat anyone in history. Beat prime Wlad (fact, what had he lost?) and prime Wilder x2/3.

            2. Joe Calzaghe - Incredible workmate, speed, and underrated power. Deservedly beat Hopkins, and that was prime Hopkins regardless of age.

            3. Carl Froch - No special effect, but boy, did he have everything else in spades. Great resume.

            4. Lennox Lewis - The thing with Lewis, over time, all of his flaws seem to have been forgotten. Zero recovery skills, KO'd twice against B-level guys, showed an inability to go through the gears vs a finished Mercer, who, by the way, beat him. Great wins over Holyfield, and Vitali, some other good wins, and a box ticked with a win over the shell of the ghost of Mike Tyson (not Lewis' fault though) Had Bowe running from him too, so that's a win of sorts.

            5. Kell Brook - Highly skilled imo. Had a difficult night in fight 1 vs Carson Jones, but like all great fighters he learned from it, and it is wrongly held against him even today. Excellent against Porter, did all he could vs a prime Golovkin, and was neck and neck against elite Spence for 9 rounds. Beat his career-long rival in Khan, who admittedly, was shot to bits, but a great night for him. I have a feeling that Kell has 2-3 more good wins in him.

            6. Chris Eubank Sr. - The ultimate showman who spawned a poundshop version of himself in Jr, who is good by the way. People who watched Eubank's career know how many amazing nights there were. A top fighter that had everything. He lost a bit after the Watson fight, and it's understandable. There will never be another Eubank Sr.

            7. Prince Naseem - Naseem was a joy, though, on the flip side, it was a little smoke and mirrors. He was arguably the hardest puncher (single shot) at his weight ever, was fast and unorthodox, but he lacked elite fundamentals and variation, and it showed when Barrera took him to school and Naz, who should have left the ring with a diploma and learned from it, pitted out with a boring points win after it and retired, not wanting to risk losing to the other 7-8 elite fighters who were around/coming to prominence at that time. He ran into retirement knowing that he couldn't beat the best, which showed, despite all of his talk throughout his career, that he didn't truly believe in himself, not at the very highest level.

            8. Nigel Benn - Powerhouse, a force in a brilliant middleweight era.

            9. David Haye - Haye, in his prime, was a CW that is a challenge for anyone there has ever been. Could prime Haye beat prime Holyfield at CW? You damn right he could. The problem with Haye was, as with most eras, CW is not the strongest division, and it's hard to really get a great resume or a great win there. He went to HW, picked up a decent title win, and survived vs Wlad. In Holyfield's time, it was easier to go up to HW and be the second-best as Holyfield was, as there was only one great big man in Lewis (Vitali and Wlad came too late for prime Holy), in Haye's time there was Fury, Vitali, Wlad, Wilder, Joshua, all who would beat Holyfield (Joshua 50-50, but the rest, yes), and then several good ones. Different times. Those looking through nostalgic glasses will never agree, but you can't win an argument with someone stuck in their ways.

            10. Anthony Joshua - Like Eubank, how many great nights has this man had? Exciting, powerful, decent speed, and some brilliant wins. Unfortunately, since the Ruiz loss, more faults, in his mindset as much as anything else have appeared. He's not the same Joshua who believed he could beat anyone anymore. Will a change in team get him back on track? Or has he just lost faith in his chin, and the desire to fight through it is no longer there? We'll see in Usyk 2.

            11. Ricky Hatton - Ricky got the great win he needed over Tsyzu, who, if I'm honest, is a little overrated, but still. Some good wins, but what he brought to the Mayweather build up an atmosphere can not be forgotten. Went out on his shield too. The Pac fight was a disaster, but it happens, I'll give him a pass on that.

            12. Carl Frampton - At his best in his win over Leo Santa Cruz. It was a brilliant performance that hopefully does not get underrated in time. Honestly though, it was all downhill from there. Northern Irish, but there are so few Irish fighters that you have to include them amongst the British in these kind of lists.

            13. Michael Watson - Watson is so underrated, and sadly, as far as his boxing goes, seems to be a little forgotten. We all know what happened, but his career should be remembered more. He was a force in the ring.

            14. Billy Joe Saunders - Billy Joe is a very skilled fighter. Many good wins. A problem for most. I got his plan for the Canelo fight right from the off. he felt if he could avoid Canelo's left to the head, he could then get off, and score points, but over time, Canelo has mastered combining the left to the head, with the left to the body and it's hard to stop, and you can feel the power when he lands, so you can't beat THIS VERSION of Canelo, without gaining his respect with your power, like Golovkin did in 1 and 2.

            15. Callum Smith - Some good wins such as Groves and Ryder, Ryder was close, but could have went either way, nothing like Catterall vs Taylor. Has some great KO's and real power. Canelo was just too much. You know what they say? Size doesn't matter. The thing is, it's actually true in boxing at world/elite level. Pros and cons to being big. But let's not tell the Fury haters that.

            16. George Groves - It was great to see Groves win a world title in the end, but in truth, with the opponent, it was a little underwhelming. Not like Natasha Jonas vs that part-time dishwasher, but still. Excellent vs Eubank, and his performance in Froch 1, was outstanding, only to be spoiled by A-Star, Howard Foster. Froch had put himself right back into it, but it was one of the worst stoppages ever. The rematch was a bore in truth, but capped off by the punch of punches, and that's what people remember.

            17. Tony Bellew - Put his career on the line against the big punching, fast, and little-known Makubu. A chance to win his first title against a champion and fave to win was all people needed to know. Bellew almost down and out in R1, showed great balls and knowing he wasn't surviving 12 rounds of this, styles make fights, and Makubu was all wrong for Bellew. He went balls to the wall and got the break he needed. Two big paydays and wins over the shell of David Haye were deserved. We haven't seen Anthony Bellew again since those wins. I hope he's doing okay at home with his wife and kids.

            18. Amir Khan - Amir peaked early, but it was probably for the best. Very weak chin, but one that was in some ways not as bad as it was through his willingness to fight through it. Aside from his BKO (balls knock out) vs Crawford, you can't knock Khan's willingness to go out on his shield. The Maidana win was great, and what a fight. Also beat Judah, who was prime then imo, fair and square. Barrera had seen better days, but Khan gave him a lesson, and a few other good wins too. Aside from his first loss, he only lost to very good fighters.

            19. James DeGale - Lost a key fight to Groves, though most had him winning, then just drifted away a bit. Though once they fixed his gilmores groin, he came back firing with a whirlwind spell of good victories. He pitted out a bit at the end, but good fighter DeGale.

            20. Hughie Fury - I'm calling it now, Hughie will pick up some great wins over the next few years. His fight with Parker could have went either way, fought through a terrible cut for 11 rounds vs Pulev, and rocked him badly in the 8th, and for 6-7 rounds was neck and neck with Povetkin, before tiring due to bad decision making. He's fighting in a bit of a new style now, and whilst it's a bit messy, it's very effective, and suits him as he has an iron chin.

            Special mentions.

            Dillian Whyte - Fight anyone, many great nights. I just believe Hughie beats him, so there it is.
            Dereck Chisora - Brawling, burger sharing, warrior.
            Josh Taylor - Undisputed, overrated, deluded, but a good fighter all the same.
            David Price - He was must-see TV. Can't not have the big truck on here in some way.
            Ricky Burns - He wasn't great, but he maximised all that he had. Had a very good fanbase, and it was a good career. Shame we never got Burns vs Broner.
            Good list. Nothing to ad to it really.

            I remember drinking at the bar in the Calgary airport on my way to Houston. There was a room that was full of only Brits in Ricky Hatton shirts on a stopover flying to Vegas to see the Hatton v Mayweather fight. I could hear them talking and chatting. The longer I was at the bar the more I got psyched up to go in there. ( I’m a fan of both fighters ) There were some real bullet headed “hardmen” looking types. None were drinking though. I eventually walked in there and shouted “Theeeeeere’s Ooooooonly Ooooooone…..” giving them the chance to finish the sentence. They all looked at me blinking saying nothing. I gave them some grief for it expressing my disappointment. There were hardly any seats and most of them were sitting on the floor. It was probably a long day for them already. I offered to buy a drink for someone at the bar if they wanted to talk boxing. Never happened.
            My striking up of a conversation is very hit or miss.
            That’s my experience with Brit boxing fans. Still cool to see them travel like that.
            Was decent fight till Ricky had no answer for the check hook.
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            • #16
              Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post

              He was stripped by the WBA for not defending against Rigo, which was his mandatory. His best wins were Santa Cruz, Quigg and Donaire. He also considers himself an Irishman.
              Brook's big wins? Porter and a faded Khan?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by The Old LefHook View Post

                It has to be Lewis because of the lack of depth in Calzaghe's ledger. To claim Ho'kins or Roy Jones were in their primes at the time of their fights with Calzaghe is plumb laughable, and does my work for me. Like the high score in gymnastics, that gets thrown out..
                - - Only lack of depth is your IQ. Poppy and Roy were SuperJoe's last two fights, and on foreign US soil as well where he humiliated them, both top Ring ranked fighters.

                They carried on for years past Joe. Y U never say what grade U in?

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Only lack of depth is your IQ. Poppy and Roy were SuperJoe's last two fights, and on foreign US soil as well where he humiliated them, both top Ring ranked fighters.

                  They carried on for years past Joe. Y U never say what grade U in?
                  Jones was washed up and everyone knew it. Hopkins was 43 and still almost beat Calzaghe. These wins are great names, not great wins.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                    Jones was washed up and everyone knew it. Hopkins was 43 and still almost beat Calzaghe. These wins are great names, not great wins.
                    Queensbree is a halfwit who should not be addressed.
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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                      Jones was washed up and everyone knew it. Hopkins was 43 and still almost beat Calzaghe. These wins are great names, not great wins.
                      - - But no fighter had ever humiliated Roy like that, and Poppy notorious for his squallin' sissyboy flop through the whole of his career, a clear DQ in every boxing jurisdiction world wide save Poppy hometown fights. Poppy wisely ducked Joe years before because he knew he'd get KOed.

                      Not going on U emasculated American opinion. I cite boxing industry Ring Rankings.

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