Micky Walker v Jimmy Jones ND Fight

[Willie Pep 229]

Anyone know anything about the Walker-Jones no decision fight, 8 October 1923, Dreamland Park, Newark, New Jersey?

The short abstract on Boxrec states that the contest was stopped for 'non action' in the 9th round. Walker claimed his hands were hurt; no explanation for Jones' inactivity is offered.

Both fighters are suspended by NJ for one year,

It should have been a unification bout (Walker NBA; Jones NYSAC) but Jones is stripped of his welterweight title by the NYSAC before the fight because Walker was already under suspension in New York.

Boxrec records the fight as a NBA welterweight title go only. Walker, as best I can find, never gains NYSAC recognition as WW champ.

Walker's NY suspension goes back to a 12 round points win, (14 March 1923, Buffalo, NY) with Charlie Nashert. Both fighters are suspended for one year for an 'unsatisfactory effort.'

Walker then has a title defense only eight days later in New Jersey (22 March, 1923) against Pete Latzo. Which is recorded as a 12 round NWS win. Boxrec says the WW title was at risk. (So I guess it must of been one of those ND fights with the title changing hands only if Latzo can score a KO.)

Then comes the questionable Jones fight in October.

So what's up with Walker . . . was there an element of tanker in his game . . . what's with the non efforts? Why didn't New York like Walker? What did they know we don't know?

[billeau2]

I hope someone enlightens you Pep, I am curious as well...

[QueensburyRules]

- - Wow, the Massachusetts sanctioned welter title. If we could only go back to when men were men and only one title to be fought for.

Dave Shade 143½ 70 13 49 Arena, Boston
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referee: Jack Sheehan
NYSAC World Welter Title
For MA Version of World Welterweight Title
Jones also received recognition champion by the NYSAC on July 31, 1923. Jones floored in eighth.

[GhostofDempsey]

Mickey claims to have injured his hand in a fight with Bobby Green just over two weeks prior. Apparently the ref had warned both fighters in round three that they needed to step up and fight. After repeated warnings he called off the fight. Both Walker and Jones were suspended for one year and forced to relinquish their purse, which was donated to the Elks Lodge charity.

[Willie Pep 229]

Mickey claims to have injured his hand in a fight with Bobby Green just over two weeks prior. Apparently the ref had warned both fighters in round three that they needed to step up and fight. After repeated warnings he called off the fight. Both Walker and Jones were suspended for one year and forced to relinquish their purse, which was donated to the Elks Lodge charity.

Ok that explains the Jones fight to some extent.

Makes you wonder why Jones didn't jump him?

Maybe Queen's post about where Jones came from is enlightening. Maybe Jones just wasn't championship stuff and even an injured Walker was more than he could handle.

I have a conjecture as to what might have happened with the Nashert fight in Buffalo.

Walker had a title fight with Latzo in just eight days (Likely already contracted) so I wonder if he didn't have an understanding with Nashert that they would just spar for 12 rounds?

Many fighters back then (although I can't actually speak for Walker) would rather just stay active fighting between title goes, instead of going into training.

Maybe NY felt they just didn't get their money's worth and suspended him.

I was just suprised to see Micky Walker of all fighters getting suspended for a 'non effort' twice in five months.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Wow, the Massachusetts sanctioned welter title. If we could only go back to when men were men and only one title to be fought for.

Dave Shade 143½ 70 13 49 Arena, Boston
W
PTS 10/10
event

bout

wiki

scores
referee: Jack Sheehan
NYSAC World Welter Title
For MA Version of World Welterweight Title
Jones also received recognition champion by the NYSAC on July 31, 1923. Jones floored in eighth.

Boy that just screams WBC . . . The NYSAC gave him the title without a title fight and then stripped him of the title before he had a chance to lose it. Lol!

Nothing ever changes but the date; a scantioning body is a scantioning body.

[QueensburyRules]

Boy that just screams WBC . . . The NYSAC gave him the title without a title fight and then stripped him of the title before he had a chance to lose it. Lol!

Nothing ever changes but the date; a scantioning body is a scantioning body.

- - Been sayin' that forever since advent of internet gave us boxing forums. But of course most fans are just fans and not interested in the details surrounding their eras and their heroes.

[Bundana]

Ok that explains the Jones fight to some extent.

Makes you wonder why Jones didn't jump him?

Maybe Queen's post about where Jones came from is enlightening. Maybe Jones just wasn't championship stuff and even an injured Walker was more than he could handle.

I have a conjecture as to what might have happened with the Nashert fight in Buffalo.

Walker had a title fight with Latzo in just eight days (Likely already contracted) so I wonder if he didn't have an understanding with Nashert that they would just spar for 12 rounds?

Many fighters back then (although I can't actually speak for Walker) would rather just stay active fighting between title goes, instead of going into training.

Maybe NY felt they just didn't get their money's worth and suspended him.

I was just suprised to see Micky Walker of all fighters getting suspended for a 'non effort' twice in five months.

Yeah, this is probably it!

Back then, when many boxers fought far more often than today, there were likely many "sham" fights, where the contestants were just going through the motions, so they would be relatively fresh and uninjured for their next fight... which could be only a week (or less!) away.

The trick was of course to be able to make it look "real" enough, so they wouldn't be thrown out for not trying (potentially losing their pay). In the case of Walker vs Nashert it obviously didn't work - as it didn't in many other fights back then. Lots and lots of boxers were thrown out during the ND era for not giving their best - even someone like Gene Tunney suffered this indignity! As did many other top boxers from that time.

[The Old LefHook]

Wasn't Kearns associated with Walker?