100th Anniversary of The Ring Magazine - Top 100 Rankings - Interesting Scoring System

[asero831]

76. Harry Greb
77. Marco Antonio Barrera
78. Antonio Cervantes
79. Joe Frazier
80. Aaron Pryor
81. Esteban De Jesus
82. Donald Curry
83. Roman Gonzalez
84. Andre Ward
85. Erik Morales
86. Naoya Inoue
87. Juan Manual Marquez
88. Antonio Tarver
89. James Toney
90. Terence Crawford
91. Mike McCallum
92. Carmen Basilio
93. Lou Salica
94. Wilfred Benitez
95. Joe Calzaghe
96. John Henry Lewis
97. Jose Torres
98. Gus Lesnevich
99. Lou Brouillard
100. Fidel La Barba

[markusmod]

- - That's because folks stopped buy Ring years before they went digital.

Been in a steady circle of the toilet bowl for quite sometime as their current Ring Hvy Champ best reflects.

And any top 100 not having Harry Greb in the top 10 deserves a snicker bar tossed in for good measure.

That's true. It was too expensive, like 10 dollars an issue.

[Willie Pep 229]

76. Harry Greb
77. Marco Antonio Barrera
78. Antonio Cervantes
79. Joe Frazier
80. Aaron Pryor
81. Esteban De Jesus
82. Donald Curry
83. Roman Gonzalez
84. Andre Ward
85. Erik Morales
86. Naoya Inoue
87. Juan Manual Marquez
88. Antonio Tarver
89. James Toney
90. Terence Crawford
91. Mike McCallum
92. Carmen Basilio
93. Lou Salica
94. Wilfred Benitez
95. Joe Calzaghe
96. John Henry Lewis
97. Jose Torres
98. Gus Lesnevich
99. Lou Brouillard
100. Fidel La Barba

I am glad to see Tony Canzoneri high on the list I believe his achievements have gone unrecognized. The same with Young Corbett III as well.

After reading your criteria I am surprised Monzon isn't in the top ten never mind missing the top 25.

Monzon had multiple defenses and I believe had eight fights against five different HOF fighters (I think, my numbers are close.) With such a resume I find it hard to believe he factors out to #26. In particular he defeated Emile Griffith twice, once by stoppage and when you consider how high Griffith is ranked you would think Monzon would have picked up some numbers there alone.

I am not surprised by the absence of Dempsey - based on the given criteria he didn't have the resume to garner many points, but I still stand on the belief that the he is the most 'important' fighter to ever grace the game. Excitement should probably get you points LOL.

Greb's low score doesn't bother me . . . IMHO he officially has only two victories over important fighters, Tunney and Walker once each.

His appearance on most fight fans top ten lists is in my opinion much like Dempsey's inclusion on those lists . . . via excitement and a romantic view of the game.

To repeat myself, I believe fighters like Dempsey and Greb are responsible for making, through shear excitment, the fight game the dominate sport of the next several decades. Statistics don't always tell the whole truth.

[QueensburyRules]

I am glad to see Tony Canzoneri high on the list I believe his achievements have gone unrecognized. The same with Young Corbett III as well.

After reading your criteria I am surprised Monzon isn't in the top ten never mind missing the top 25.

Monzon had multiple defenses and I believe had eight fights against five different HOF fighters (I think, my numbers are close.) With such a resume I find it hard to believe he factors out to #26. In particular he defeated Emile Griffith twice, once by stoppage and when you consider how high Griffith is ranked you would think Monzon would have picked up some numbers there alone.

I am not surprised by the absence of Dempsey - based on the given criteria he didn't have the resume to garner many points, but I still stand on the belief that the he is the most 'important' fighter to ever grace the game. Excitement should probably get you points LOL.

Greb's low score doesn't bother me . . . IMHO he officially has only two victories over important fighters, Tunney and Walker once each.

His appearance on most fight fans top ten lists is in my opinion much like Dempsey's inclusion on those lists . . . via excitement and a romantic view of the game.

To repeat myself, I believe fighters like Dempsey and Greb are responsible for making, through shear excitment, the fight game the dominate sport of the next several decades. Statistics don't always tell the whole truth.

- - Greb had a great series vs Tommy Loughran, 1-2 vs Flowers at the end of his career half blind with a busted nose, Rosenbloom, Kid Norfolk, Tommy Gibbons, Mike Gibbons, Battling Levinski, ect.

Woulda fought Dempsey but for politics, and Sam but for they operating in different spheres with Sam spending critical years in England, Paris, and Australia where he was feted as a King.

Top 10 as should be Monzon. If anyone is overrated it's Ali whose fame outstrips his performances.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Greb had a great series vs Tommy Loughran, 1-2 vs Flowers at the end of his career half blind with a busted nose, Rosenbloom, Kid Norfolk, Tommy Gibbons, Mike Gibbons, Battling Levinski, ect.

Woulda fought Dempsey but for politics, and Sam but for they operating in different spheres with Sam spending critical years in England, Paris, and Australia where he was feted as a King.

Top 10 as should be Monzon. If anyone is overrated it's Ali whose fame outstrips his performances.

I stand corrected on Greb's resume - those are solid names I had forgotten and lazily didn't go looking for . . . Especially the Brothers Gibbons. I think he beat one and split with the other.

JFTR Flowers was blind in one as well.

[JAB5239]

76. Harry Greb
77. Marco Antonio Barrera
78. Antonio Cervantes
79. Joe Frazier
80. Aaron Pryor
81. Esteban De Jesus
82. Donald Curry
83. Roman Gonzalez
84. Andre Ward
85. Erik Morales
86. Naoya Inoue
87. Juan Manual Marquez
88. Antonio Tarver
89. James Toney
90. Terence Crawford
91. Mike McCallum
92. Carmen Basilio
93. Lou Salica
94. Wilfred Benitez
95. Joe Calzaghe
96. John Henry Lewis
97. Jose Torres
98. Gus Lesnevich
99. Lou Brouillard
100. Fidel La Barba

I'm curious how you rank both Canzoneri and McLarnin over Ross?

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm curious how you rank both Canzoneri and McLarnin over Ross?

Wait - why did you say 'you' - I thought this list was from Ring Magazine - that he explained their criteria in the OP.

Is this not the case? Are these Ring's ranking or the OPs?

[JAB5239]

Wait - why did you say 'you' - I thought this list was from Ring Magazine - that he explained their criteria in the OP.

Is this not the case? Are these Ring's ranking or the OPs?

It may be. I've only glanced at the thread. If so, I'd like to know how those fighters are above Ross? I guess arguments can be made, but there is a huge discrepancy in where they're rated in my opinion given Ross beat both in 4 out of 5 of their fights if I'm not mistaken.

[crold1]

It may be. I've only glanced at the thread. If so, I'd like to know how those fighters are above Ross? I guess arguments can be made, but there is a huge discrepancy in where they're rated in my opinion given Ross beat both in 4 out of 5 of their fights if I'm not mistaken.

Jab: Good question. Answer is it's not a "best" list. What I did for Ring was a study of their rankings for the anniversary, assessing points based on the ranking of opponents in the issue prior to fights for the years a fighter was ranked. Ross is a little lower ultimately because he had fewer ranked foes on that standard. It's not an assessment that either was better than him. When the remaining 75 are released with full details (probably next month), you'll be able to see what i mean. Those last 75 will shake up with a couple corrections and additional results past the cutoff date for the magazine (the magazine was current to the weekend after Alvarez-Plant). The study has the wins against ranked foes, what they were ranked, and in what issue, for all of it. It was a lot of fun to do.

As to the Greb comments above elsewhere, the study only included Greb's official results from 1924 forward as Ring didn't have rankings to assess prior to that. Consider how remarkable: his last two years as a pro was still that good.

[Willie Pep 229]

Jab: Good question. Answer is it's not a "best" list. What I did for Ring was a study of their rankings for the anniversary, assessing points based on the ranking of opponents in the issue prior to fights for the years a fighter was ranked. Ross is a little lower ultimately because he had fewer ranked foes on that standard. It's not an assessment that either was better than him. When the remaining 75 are released with full details (probably next month), you'll be able to see what i mean. Those last 75 will shake up with a couple corrections and additional results past the cutoff date for the magazine (the magazine was current to the weekend after Alvarez-Plant). The study has the wins against ranked foes, what they were ranked, and in what issue, for all of it. It was a lot of fun to do.

As to the Greb comments above elsewhere, the study only included Greb's official results from 1924 forward as Ring didn't have rankings to assess prior to that. Consider how remarkable: his last two years as a pro was still that good.

So that explains Dempsey's absence and Greb's low ranking - but only makes me deepen my resolve that you must have dropped a digit or two while factoring Monzon.