WBO champions: when do you start counting them as "real" world champions?

[JAB5239]

- -Wlad held the Ring title, and the guy who beat him was on steroids and ducked the rematch to go on a 400lb bender in the most massive forfeiture of heavy title in history.

The 2nd most massive forfeiture of a heavy title is when Lar ducked his mandatory Greg Page in exchange for Bob Lee creating a new title for him whereby Bonecrusher Smith who had never beaten even a fringe contender and in fact was KOed in his debut by a novice was made his challenger.

Thanks for the reminder...

There is no evidence Fury was on steroids when he embarrassed Wlad. You can assume he was(I assume many fighters are including the K bros) but that means nothing.

You're an idiot. Holmes was the lineal and recognized heavyweight champion when he fought Smith. Was Damiani recognized as being the lineal champ? And again....You're an idiot. Smith beat Bruno who was ranked in the top 10 to aquire his own position in the top 10 and chance to fight against Holmes.

You're welcome for the education....again.

[JAB5239]

- -WBO established around the same as IBF and may even be older, but being Eurocentric were not accepted by myopic Americans. Whereas the Crook that established IBF was just fine with the crooked echo chamber of American boxing establishment.

Lineal is as defunct as The Cave Bear and Saber Tooth Tiger. Ring title prob the closest in concept to ye aulde lineal, but even those clowns have fouled up over the years with their blatant favoritism while ignoring their own rules for conferring their Ring title. See the current heavywt Ring champ...

One more thing to add to this ridiculousness. The IBO was formed the same year as the WBO and Americans don't accept them anymore than the WBO. The IBO is based in Florida, go figure. As already stated every champion unless lineal and or unified is just a paper champion. Doesn't matter where the org is from.

You're welcome.....again.

[QueensburyRules]

There is no evidence Fury was on steroids when he embarrassed Wlad. You can assume he was(I assume many fighters are including the K bros) but that means nothing.

You're an idiot. Holmes was the lineal and recognized heavyweight champion when he fought Smith. Was Damiani recognized as being the lineal champ? And again....You're an idiot. Smith beat Bruno who was ranked in the top 10 to aquire his own position in the top 10 and chance to fight against Holmes.

You're welcome for the education....again.

- -Plenty of evidence of Fury drug use proving U don't follow the sport.

I and 20,000 other healthy adult males who know how to box could've beat the sick Ali and claim lineal.

Y U as feeble as U lineal claims?

[JAB5239]

- -Plenty of evidence of Fury drug use proving U don't follow the sport.

I and 20,000 other healthy adult males who know how to box could've beat the sick Ali and claim lineal.

Y U as feeble as U lineal claims?

What evidence? Please provide the proof he cheated or was on PED's during his fight with Wlad. This should be about as good as your proof of Wlad being poisoned.

You couldn't beat an egg if someone cracked the shell for you.

Larry Holmes lives in your head rent free and it's driving you insane!

[Marchegiano]

I don't really see the IBF or WBO as equal to the WBC or WBA.

The WBC is the OG 3, NYSAC, IBU, NSC.

The W/NBA is the original challenge to those old 3 before they were even 1, and, it took control of boxing.

IBF/WBO are just 80s moody splinters of the WBA, probably really a by product of the size of the old WBA. Since getting pissy and forming their own clubs they have established **** all and they have controlled **** all, but they managed to get their old club to recognize them.....I really don't give a **** about that.

WBC = Originators

WBA = Popularizors

IBF/WBO = But dey recognize us doe

Kiss my ass. IBF and WBO are just parts of a real title that ought to be absorbed so we can get back to having interesting divisions with challenging mandos.

[REDEEMER]

I don't really see the IBF or WBO as equal to the WBC or WBA.

The WBC is the OG 3, NYSAC, IBU, NSC.

The W/NBA is the original challenge to those old 3 before they were even 1, and, it took control of boxing.

IBF/WBO are just 80s moody splinters of the WBA, probably really a by product of the size of the old WBA. Since getting pissy and forming their own clubs they have established **** all and they have controlled **** all, but they managed to get their old club to recognize them.....I really don't give a **** about that.

WBC = Originators

WBA = Popularizors

IBF/WBO = But dey recognize us doe

Kiss my ass. IBF and WBO are just parts of a real title that ought to be absorbed so we can get back to having interesting divisions with challenging mandos.

I thought the WBA was the original belt of those you listed ? And the WBC was created after .

[JAB5239]

I thought the WBA was the original belt of those you listed ? And the WBC was created after .

It was. The WBA was originally the NBA.

[Marchegiano]

I thought the WBA was the original belt of those you listed ? And the WBC was created after .

It's all in semantics man, can be seen just as you described, most do but I'm not sure if that's opinion or just lack or perspectives. I'll cliff notes it for speed:



The National Sporting Club forms in the late 19th century, I forget exact year but it's easy to look up, about 1890-something. They ruled over England, Scottland, Wales, and Ireland.

The International Boxing Union is the first body for Europe, about 1910-ish they formed. I think Jack Johnson gets stripped by them around 1913 or some such. Europe as in mainland Europe, France and Germany and ****.

The NYSAC forms officially in 1920, I trust you know them. For this all you need to know is they too were regional, NY and abouts.

The NBA in 21, also regional, they served 13 or so other states across the USA and formed explicitly to stop the NYSAC from monopolizing boxing.

The NSC and IBU start to compete over Europe as whole including the British Isles

The NYSAC and NBA battle it out over American recognition. The NBA had more places they presided over, but, the NYSAC held the "mecca" in NYC.

The NYSAC takes a gamble and starts to form official relations with the IBU and later NSC

The NBA goes it alone and starts to sanction their own fights in Europe.

For the most part the NSC and IBU were on the losing end of things and becoming more and more a puppet for the NYSAC who themselves ended up playing second fiddle to the NBA on the world stage.

WWII happens, the IBU is taken by ****s, ****fied, then released by the allies. For about a decade and a half the IBU attempts to carry on as a world body. (fun side note, 30s sees german and italian champions in primo and schmelling, you know, right around the time *******s are gaining a controlling vote in european democracies...including boxing)

By the 60s the NBA was ready to announce themselves as global complete with a name change to reflect their sanctioning ability. The NBA becomes WBA. This is why folks call them first. Not really first, not first to go to Europe either, but first to call themselves World.

The NYSAC calls in the NSC and IBU, by now the NSC and IBU are called the BBBoC and EBU. The NYSAC pitches a plan to the EBU and BBBoC, they would drop their world claims, including the NYSAC and form a new body from the three called the WBC. The BBBoC champion and the EBU champion were no longer claimants to world titles but rather regional champions below the WBC's world champion, but, being a regional champion, and this is still true, gets a guaranteed ranking in WBC world ratings.



So, you can see how it'd be easier to just say WBA = First world body and be done with the story and be true. It's also true they are not even close to the first body.


I don't argue with people who say WBA first, it's just perspective.

[REDEEMER]

It was. The WBA was originally the NBA.

I saw he had the WBC listed as the originators , I didn’t think it was .

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