Mike Tyson is the most overrated boxer ever

[StarshipTrooper]

There is a very high percentage of self-professed boxing historians around here who keep doing exactly what you just said you don't see. The usual groundless "Tyson blather" that indeed should not be taken into account. But it does exist.


Anyhow. Neither Tyson nor Holyfield were out-and-out "corpses" in the final stretch of their career, the lone exceptions being Tyson's fights against Lewis and McBride.


A severely worn-out Tyson still put Cliff Etienne upside down with a single shot. And the much-mentioned Danny Williams fight was lost by Tyson only because he injured a knee after having lifted Williams from the floor with an uppercut in the first round.


A supposed corpse - Holyfield, I mean - did lose badly vs Toney at 41, but it was more a very bad night than a case of degradation. After the Toney defeat, Evander fought on until he was 49 or so, winning seven of ten fights (I consider Valuev as a win), losing only on points vs Donald and Ibragimov. He defeated several well-known opponents when he was practically an old man. Maddalone, Savarese, Oquendo, Valuev, Botha, Nielsen. That's not what I call a "corpse". He was an aging heavyweight who was still convinced of being able to stay at the top of the division, until his body told otherwise. Quite a difference with the Tyson who got butchered by Lewis while on drugs, and who quit against McBride.


Ultimately, many people had already urged Holyfield to retire after the Bobby Czyz fight, they were saying that his health was at serious risk against Tyson, and look at what happened then. Ups and downs were a constant in Evander's career, see also his fights with Alex Stewart and Michael Moorer (the latter being another blown-up light-heavy who beat him, incidentally. Czyz was a former light-heavy as well, but at least he lost the fight). Even in the Bowe trilogy Holyfield oscillated between glory and disaster, even in a single fight (the third, naturally, not to mention the famous 10th round in the first meeting).


Therefore, the "Toney beat Holyfield's corpse" logic doesn't stick.

Trotting out a string of dog shlt fighters that happen to be "well known" dog shlt isn't making a case that Holyfield isn't pleasure cruising the River Styx. Don't waste my time this kind of bullshlt. If you have nothing intelligent to add just say so and jog the phuck on.

[Tatabanya]

Trotting out a string of dog shlt fighters that happen to be "well known" dog shlt isn't making a case that Holyfield isn't pleasure cruising the River Styx. Don't waste my time this kind of bullshlt. If you have nothing intelligent to add just say so and jog the phuck on.

This kind of angry reply to an OCTOBER 2021 post I had even forgotten about?

Anyhow... logic and facts always hurt, and your mood must be real bad these days. So long, buddy.

[markusmod]

What is A competition for you? Spinks and Holmes are no doubt A fighters c b fighters? im pretty sure reigning champions are A fighters when you fough him and some if top contenders like Ruddock that aura come from reason dominating all top 10 contenders and champions and such as great as Spinks and Holmes. Ken Norton,Shavers, Lyle are A fighters but
Spinks,Holmes,Ruddock,Thomas and that guys are c b fighters yea

Grizzly makes a point here.

[StarshipTrooper]

This kind of angry reply to an OCTOBER 2021 post I had even forgotten about?

Anyhow... logic and facts always hurt, and your mood must be real bad these days. So long, buddy.

If logic and facts always hurt, then you must be on oxys for your chronic pain. Bigging up gawdawful fighters to make the undead look like it has a pulse is beyond pathetic: Maddalone, Savarese, Oquendo, Valuev, Botha, Nielsen are literally garbage opposition. The coked out crap Tyson and Holmes were beating in the '80s shlts all over that group. Deal with it.

[Tatabanya]

If logic and facts always hurt, then must be oxys for your chronic pain. Bigging up gawdawful fighters to make the undead look like it has a pulse is beyond pathetic: Maddalone, Savarese, Oquendo, Valuev, Botha, Nielsen are literally garbage opposition. The coked out crap Tyson and Holmes were beating in the '80s shlts all over that group. Deal with it.

I'm quite sure you missed the point of my original post, therefore we don't need to go on with this futile exchange. I'm not offended. Peace.

[QueensburyRules]

Don't get me wrong he's an all time great but he is ridiculously overrated.

He cleaned out the division in the late 80s but it was a weak era. Unlike Wlad and Larry his run was short. He beat Larry Holmes coming out of retirement. He beat Michael Spinks in impressive fashion but Spinks is a all time great light heavyweight, not heavyweight.

He got upset by Buster Douglas and save me with the "Past his prime" talk cause he was 23.

He had some good wins after and regained the title but lost his career defining fight with Evander Holyfield.... TWICE.

He had some decent wins after but never got the title back.

He's extremely overrated, especially by casuals who say he's the best heavyweight ever .He's not even the best heavyweight of his era. Evander Holyfield is.

And this whole "Prime Tyson beats anyone ever head to head" is nonsense. No he wouldn't.

He had one mode. No ability to adjust. He's a Cus Damato pre programmed robot.

- - As previously mentioned, you provide no rating to complain about other than some boxing experts and casuals both agreed he was the best ever when he was still in training without the albatross of dangerous, experimental sedatives being proscribed to him.

Nice job of butchering the history of boxing during that era though, an A for literacy with an F to match Money the Man Wannabee gravitas.

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm quite sure you missed the point of my original post, therefore we don't need to go on with this futile exchange. I'm not offended. Peace.

That would have required you to have a point: You did not. Consider yourself dismissed, and placed on ignore with the others who waste my time with moronic bullshlt.

[Tatabanya]

That would have required you to have a point: You did not. Consider yourself dismissed, and placed on ignore with the others who waste my time with moronic bullshlt.

I'm crying right now. Consider yourself an idiot, which is what you are.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm crying right now. Consider yourself an idiot, which is what you are.

- - He's a Starship P00per in charge of the White Supremist Brigade to save All of Man/Woman/Otherankind

[Tatabanya]

- - He's a Starship P00per in charge of the White Supremist Brigade to save All of Man/Woman/Otherankind

A classic case of ******* wannabe who tells himself he's an anti-*******.

He should change that into "anti-intelligent", given that he can't fathom meanings beyond two-liners.