Prime Gene Tunney would outbox Joshua

[The Old LefHook]

Stamina, chin, boxing ability and killer instinct are all at scrub level in Joshua. This boy just doesn't have it. He will get hurt in the ring or lose ever bit of pride.

[QueensburyRules]

I think I agree with the OP because .

In this fight at least, AJ looked like Usyk put him to sleep with a simple jab followed by a powerful enough right, just enough, to make AJ not want to move forward.

This seems to repeat itself the entire fight. Usyk seems to have neutralize AJ with nothing more than 12 rounds os active sparing.

Queenie is right, on paper Tunney-Josuha looks like an absurd mismatch - but the AJ perforance you see in this fight, IMO offers us no reason to believe Tunney couldn't have done the same.

P.S. I must admit the above evaluation is based solely on watching highlights of the fight. But all the highlights looked the same - I concluded there were actually no highlights to show me. Just the same repeated action.

- -AJ was moving Usyk backwards much of the fight without chasing him. The first 3 rounds were nondescript boxing moves to see what each other had, but AJ never put on the expected pressure, preferring to box and back off any incoming he could see, however he was landing his jab and a couple of lefts to the body that kept Usyk moving.

You say he neutralized AJ with a spar, I say he had the Hagler syndrome in that he wanted to prove he could box with Usyk, and that he did. Whatever championship rd strategy he had was eliminated with the busted eye in the 9th. Prime Dubois and BJSanders quit when their orbitals shattered. Don't believe AJ's was as bad, but when he returned to the corner with his eye shut, they were worried. Looked to me like endswell opened up everything, but clearly it affected him and altered his game plan that had been working to perfection as anyone can see from Usyk's cut up mug. The slugger made Usyk look the loser where save for light bruising around his eyes, AJ looked like a million bucks and in good spirits.

I scored a lot of even rounds, so clearly the closeness of the two cards where a mere 3 points would render a majority draw reflect that. Anytime a slugger can't KO his opponent, critics howl that he lost the fight even when he gets the decision. When the boxer KOs his opponents, they pop their champagne bottles. That's the overriding mentality of boxing fans over the years, and since most don't know to score a fight or even care to, and most would rather howl about boxing crookery and/or deride the losing slugger, boxing overseers have made a brilliant model using boxing as the lure to suck in the suckers into the gaming houses which is where boxing overseers make their most $$$. Trainers in on it too, like when a fighter is seemingly unhurt and suddenly pulled, say the first Floyd belt, Genaro Hernandez. See the Liston/Ali farces that generated a lot of "investigations" without finding any evidence of fire, only smoke.

No matter, AJ says the rematch coming soon, so win, lose, or draw, neither will be available for the rest of the heavies until sometime next year, and who knows, Usyk may well insist on his own rematch clause this go round. Both these fighters far beyond the 99th% of lowbrow boxing fans as they look to put on a modern day classic.

[Frankie Coffeecake]

- -AJ was moving Usyk backwards much of the fight without chasing him. The first 3 rounds were nondescript boxing moves to see what each other had, but AJ never put on the expected pressure, preferring to box and back off any incoming he could see, however he was landing his jab and a couple of lefts to the body that kept Usyk moving.

You say he neutralized AJ with a spar, I say he had the Hagler syndrome in that he wanted to prove he could box with Usyk, and that he did. Whatever championship rd strategy he had was eliminated with the busted eye in the 9th. Prime Dubois and BJSanders quit when their orbitals shattered. Don't believe AJ's was as bad, but when he returned to the corner with his eye shut, they were worried. Looked to me like endswell opened up everything, but clearly it affected him and altered his game plan that had been working to perfection as anyone can see from Usyk's cut up mug. The slugger made Usyk look the loser where save for light bruising around his eyes, AJ looked like a million bucks and in good spirits.

I scored a lot of even rounds, so clearly the closeness of the two cards where a mere 3 points would render a majority draw reflect that. Anytime a slugger can't KO his opponent, critics howl that he lost the fight even when he gets the decision. When the boxer KOs his opponents, they pop their champagne bottles. That's the overriding mentality of boxing fans over the years, and since most don't know to score a fight or even care to, and most would rather howl about boxing crookery and/or deride the losing slugger, boxing overseers have made a brilliant model using boxing as the lure to suck in the suckers into the gaming houses which is where boxing overseers make their most $$$. Trainers in on it too, like when a fighter is seemingly unhurt and suddenly pulled, say the first Floyd belt, Genaro Hernandez. See the Liston/Ali farces that generated a lot of "investigations" without finding any evidence of fire, only smoke.

No matter, AJ says the rematch coming soon, so win, lose, or draw, neither will be available for the rest of the heavies until sometime next year, and who knows, Usyk may well insist on his own rematch clause this go round. Both these fighters far beyond the 99th% of lowbrow boxing fans as they look to put on a modern day classic.

It's an interesting take, as you say the fight was lost in the championship rounds, I had it 4-4 going into the 9th and I felt the fight was beginning to slip away from Usyk until that all changed in the 9th. The issue I don't think was with the eye as much as it was with Joshuas abysmal stamina, in the 11th and 12 rounds he was DOG tired.

It's weird because in the mid part of the fight Usyk seemed to be tiring and I thought the high movement he put in early had got to him, but then Joshua went from being the fresher fighter to even more drained than Usyk very quickly.

I think this could have been remedied with more effective use of the clinch, especially towards the end of the rounds, as Usyk stole 2 or 3 rounds with last minute bursts, and Joshua could have negated this and used the clinch to get a breather. This wasn't out of the realms of reality for him to use his strength in this way.

It is interesting to note that if Joshua had been able to edge 2 more rounds on the cards, let's say he upped the pace a bit more in the 3rd and took that one, and then the 10th which I think was within reach for him, he would have retained his belts on a draw.

It's weird in that the last 2 rounds optically changed what was a pretty close fight through 10 into a blowout for Usyk.

[billeau2]

Usyk is pretty good. But is he better than Harry Greb or Jack Dempsey were?

Hard to say... though if he is he has not proved it yet. Tunney is a hard act to follow

[QueensburyRules]

I think I agree with the OP because .

In this fight at least, AJ looked like Usyk put him to sleep with a simple jab followed by a powerful enough right, just enough, to make AJ not want to move forward.

This seems to repeat itself the entire fight. Usyk seems to have neutralize AJ with nothing more than 12 rounds os active sparing.

Queenie is right, on paper Tunney-Josuha looks like an absurd mismatch - but the AJ perforance you see in this fight, IMO offers us no reason to believe Tunney couldn't have done the same.

P.S. I must admit the above evaluation is based solely on watching highlights of the fight. But all the highlights looked the same - I concluded there were actually no highlights to show me. Just the same repeated action.

- -Usyk the winner looks like he got his face stuck in a sausage grinder.
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OK, I get it. AJ don't KO Usyk makes him the worst heavyweight in world history. See social media for confirmation...

[Willie Pep 229]

- -Usyk the winner looks like he got his face stuck in a sausage grinder.
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OK, I get it. AJ don't KO Usyk makes him the worst heavyweight in world history. See social media for confirmation...

Would Marciano have let the moment slip away and let it go to the cards or would he have driven forward and held on to his title.

[The Old LefHook]

You mean Joshua from Scrubville?

[QueensburyRules]

Would Marciano have let the moment slip away and let it go to the cards or would he have driven forward and held on to his title.

- -Rocky could only fight in his moment, and yes, in that moment he enshrined his iconic record and legacy for life.

This is the current gen moment, and at the end of the day, every gen can only fight in their moment, and I feel Usyk and AJ have taken up the Wlad/Vit moment and made it their own. We will see the rematch if AJ orb is not permanently damaged.

[ShoulderRoll]

- -Rocky could only fight in his moment, and yes, in that moment he enshrined his iconic record and legacy for life.

This is the current gen moment, and at the end of the day, every gen can only fight in their moment, and I feel Usyk and AJ have taken up the Wlad/Vit moment and made it their own. We will see the rematch if AJ orb is not permanently damaged.

Tyson Fury took the Wlad moment, ended it, and made this era his own. He's still the best heavyweight until someone proves otherwise.

[The Old LefHook]

Is that a fork sticking from Joshua? Hearn might milk another purse or two out of the poor beast.