40 years ago Ray Leonard stopped Tommy Hearns

[The plunger man]

I never said I was at the venue ya dumb fcuk. I saw it live, I was alive and saw it live when it happened. You weren't even born!

you talk more bollocks than queenie......I wasn’t born lol.....GTOH Gurner....so tell me where did you watch it live then

[War Room]

you talk more bollocks than queenie......I wasn’t born lol.....GTOH Gurner....so tell me where did you watch it live then

In the states ya daft cvnt. I see how all you got to argue now is where I saw it. Facts are, Ray was down on the cards and you didn't even know it you dogwanker. YDKSAB, bend the knee and lick my boots ya cully.

[QueensburyRules]

I never understood that term "over trained" - how do you define it?

I realize (as much as I can understand as a high school wrestler) that you can reached an emotional/mental peak and then delay can snatch the moment away - how you can go into a match not as mentally sharp as one might be - but I just can't see how one can over trained physically; the harder I worked the stronger and better conditioned I always felt.

I am not trying to be a troll I am curious how you see that phrase.

- -Overtrained is when you exceed the boundaries of your target training, leaving a fighter in a weakened, dehydrated state as Tommy was.

[The plunger man]

In the states ya daft cvnt. I see how all you got to argue now is where I saw it. Facts are, Ray was down on the cards and you didn't even know it you dogwanker. YDKSAB, bend the knee and lick my boots ya cully.

I know more about this fight than a silly p1key like yourself.......it’s the reason why I boxed you wanker and it’s the best fight I’ve ever seen........who are you gumbo some silly big bollocks who knows Jack **** about boxing.......I didn’t say Leonard was ahead on points did I f@ck stick so learn how to read gurner....what a toss pot.
It’s widely considered to be Leonard’s pincacle moment and is considered one of the greatest fights ever....are you inbred ?

[The plunger man]

In the states ya daft cvnt. I see how all you got to argue now is where I saw it. Facts are, Ray was down on the cards and you didn't even know it you dogwanker. YDKSAB, bend the knee and lick my boots ya cully.

[War Room]

I know more about this fight than a silly p1key like yourself.......it’s the reason why I boxed you wanker and it’s the best fight I’ve ever seen........who are you gumbo some silly big bollocks who knows Jack **** about boxing.......I didn’t say Leonard was ahead on points did I f@ck stick so learn how to read gurner....what a toss pot.
It’s widely considered to be Leonard’s pincacle moment and is considered one of the greatest fights ever....are you inbred ?

I don't care what you think and if you think you're tough because you boxed, I don't give a fcuk either. I did too and I would break you down like a lawn chair. Life altering punishment. Waking up at night reliving it covered in your own swampy sweat. Looking around corners and your should for the duration lmao.

UK amateurs suck, UK fighters historically suck, and guess what ---> you suck bellends. You said Hearns was on his way out and blah blah lah and Steward was gonna stop it. Facts are, Ray was losing MISERABLY and got lucky Hearns gassed.

You said it was his greatest performance, now you're changing the goalposts, it was not his greatest performance. Losing into the 14th is not your greatest performance, it's just not.

Now fcuk off ya chonky armchair choad.

Ray's best performance('s) was making Duran quit and beating the dogshet out of Hagler after 3 years off with one eye. Hagler was on a 11 year and 29 wins streak. Toyed with him.

[QueensburyRules]

Ray's best performance('s) was making Duran quit and beating the dogshet out of Hagler after 3 years off with one eye. Hagler was on a 11 year and 29 wins streak. Toyed with him.

- -RomperRoom time again!

All Ray did was run around until Duran had to shtt, and then all he did vs Marv was run around ever more interspersed with popcorn windmill flurries to float the petticoats of his fans.

[Willie Pep 229]

- -Overtrained is when you exceed the boundaries of your target training, leaving a fighter in a weakened, dehydrated state as Tommy was.

I got to tell you, your reply didn't scratch the itch. Dehydration is a 24 hour problem and day-before weighins negate the problem..

The phrase 'target training' is vague and leaves me as ignorant coming out as I was going in.

I still don't get the phrase 'over trained' when trying to apply it to a fighter's physical conditioning.

Mental fatigue I can wrap my head around.

Someone needs to b-itch slap me wise with a solid explanation because my gut feeling right now is that it is a BS excuse so ingrained in the boxing lexicon that it goes unchallenged.

[The plunger man]

I don't care what you think and if you think you're tough because you boxed, I don't give a fcuk either. I did too and I would break you down like a lawn chair. Life altering punishment. Waking up at night reliving it covered in your own swampy sweat. Looking around corners and your should for the duration lmao.

UK amateurs suck, UK fighters historically suck, and guess what ---> you suck bellends. You said Hearns was on his way out and blah blah lah and Steward was gonna stop it. Facts are, Ray was losing MISERABLY and got lucky Hearns gassed.

You said it was his greatest performance, now you're changing the goalposts, it was not his greatest performance. Losing into the 14th is not your greatest performance, it's just not.

Now fcuk off ya chonky armchair choad.

Ray's best performance('s) was making Duran quit and beating the dogshet out of Hagler after 3 years off with one eye. Hagler was on a 11 year and 29 wins streak. Toyed with him.

ive met tons on big gob****es like you before each one of them have taken knap on the street pavement......the ironic thing the top 2 heavyweight in the world are English and you have one as your avatar and signature pic ..you can’t make this **** up lol
what a wanker
look I won money on Leonard when he beat hagler and yeah it’s a great performance but he was not in his prime and neither was hagler.
leonard was brilliant against Duran in New Orleans and schooled him but it had controversy.
leonard vs hearns was 2 fighters in there prime with tactical moves, high drama and come from behind knockout which ranks as the greatest welterweight fight in history and yes it’s Leonard’s finest performance and most experts agree ....now wind your neck back in tosspot....now don’t respond to my posts again if you cannot have a decent discussion

[QueensburyRules]

I got to tell you, your reply didn't scratch the itch. Dehydration is a 24 hour problem and day-before weighins negate the problem..

The phrase 'target training' is vague and leaves me as ignorant coming out as I was going in.

I still don't get the phrase 'over trained' when trying to apply it to a fighter's physical conditioning.

Mental fatigue I can wrap my head around.

Someone needs to b-itch slap me wise with a solid explanation because my gut feeling right now is that it is a BS excuse so ingrained in the boxing lexicon that it goes unchallenged.

- -27 year old stud posting TDF prologue times and speeds on my then 16 yr old 1962 TDF equipped 15 speed Schwinn in my 6 mile jaunt to work in hilly, rolling terrain probably making 2 dozen hard right turns on the neighborhood streets I used to get to the main drag. I had previously framed houses for a year after college because that was where the $$$ and my ambition lay as a builder.

Local rag started a 10K Run much like the French Rag that started the TDF, only my rag wasn't trying to convict Dreyfus, the sordid back history of the TDF so they could put the supporting rag out of business that was accomplished, but back to point. They offered a Tee designed by their local political cartoonist, Ben Sargent who you can google, arguably the top guy in his profession. The stick dangling that carrot was you had post a 55 minute time or better for the Tee. Being stat oriented I broke that down minutes per mile and estimated when I was walking the vast campus at Texas Tech between classes, I could cover 2 miles walking at that pace, so I entered.

But, I wanted show up all those joggers that ran along busy streets inhaling car exhaust for the idiots they were, and so enlisted my bud, a math doctoral student who was a daily 2 mile runner in our park which is infinitely more healthful. This is 2 weeks before the race, so never having run more than mile as punishment by my HS gym teachers, I went out for 2 miles at a steady pace for a few days, upped to 3, then 4, then 5 that I figure was good enough to see me through the 6.2 distance. These have been all slow paced, so the day before I go out for a 3 mile shakedown, but couldn't make 2 blocks to the park. I overtrained as I saw then, so I had that concept within me. Walked home, fixed some migas with a couple beers and took a 4 hour nap and didn't do squat for the rest of the day.

The rag was hoping for 1000, but 4000 signed up, so my buddy and I went to the back of the line not wanting to impede the legit world class runners, and when the gun sounded the idiot joggers surrounding us started jogging in place, embarrassing, so it was at least 2 min before we crossed the starting line where all hell broke loose. These were the phlegm runners I had to use broken field sprinting to pass before we were funneled on the park trail adjoining the lake that had 1/20th the capacity they were now clogged with, so I went into hurdle phase leaping shrubbery off the trail for about a mile before exiting. I was operating on pure adrenaline just trying to find an open spot where we ran a series of hills before the massive downhill where again I took off broken field style. Keep in mind I had already passed up the current 100 meter Olympic champ in the first mile, and he with infinitely more track miles logged than moi.

We made turn for a long straight to the bridge that crossed the river to finish at the Auditorium. At this 4 mile check point they announced a 30 minute time, meaning I had run a 28 min 4mile at 7 min a mile, but not long after I hit the proverbial wall and had to walk a half mile. My buddy passed me up to clap me on the back that sorta woke me up, so I preceded at a slow pace to finish the race at 48 min, ie actual 46 min or at a 7.4 minute pace. Had I skipped my last 5 mile training run, I've no doubt I could have exceeded what ultimately transpired.

I entered a few more times for the girl watching as they got more organized, but I never trained because I knew my strenuous activity level was enough to see me through at that level.