Is Fury-Wilder unprecedented?

[QueensburyRules]

It's easy to see anything from different points of view. Why did Fury decide to go along with the arbitrator's decision? Maybe because he signed an agreement that in the event of a dispute, the issue would go to an arbitrator and that the decision would be binding. It doesn't mean that at no point will he ever fight AJ.

- -Don't mean at no point will Deyonce ever fight AJ, nor at no point will I fight AJ now that I edged up to 210 lbs.

I'd fight AJ at half price of what U boys might want to claim...

[billeau2]

Agreed on the arbitration in civil law suits but I suspect that one of two things is likely to happen- either the fight is a go or Arum steps up and buys Wilder off with step aside money and a promise of a match with the winner. I doubt this even goes to arbitration. I am now convinced that Fury doesn't really want the AJ fight; I believe it was doable if he wanted it.

But this isn't the discussion I wanted to have, being the history section I wanted to look for precedents but the Fury fan boys cane rushing in with their legal excuses and we digressed (as usual LOL)

The original post was trying to start a discussion as to whether any former HW Champion was able to secure an immediate rematch after putting on such a terrible performance (Wilder) while there was a true contender waiting in the wings (AJ).

The only two I could come up with was Dempsey and Liston.

Dempsey in '26 looked terrible against Tunney and was dominated - Sharkey finished off Wills and Dempsey was forced to prove himself against Sharkey before he could get the Tunney rematch.

Liston on the other hand got the immediate rematch but that seems to have been based on the 'bum shoulder' excuse. Liston actually went off as the betting favorite in the rematch.

You k now... the person to PM and ask about this is Bundana. Him and a poster we have lost Green are/were incredible at this type of information.

I just can't come up with an example of a Champion being given an immediate rematch after being so throughly dominated as Wilder was, can you?

Even Ali couldn't get an immediate Frazier rematch.

Fck never knew Liston was favored in the rematch thats interesting.
the only thing remotely similar might be Liston and Patterson? 10 months of separation, of course Liston became the champ lol so the roles were switched... but perhaps the same idea.

[markusmod]

- -Not really since Deyonce failed to activate the rematch clause in the allotted time window, hence the extensive AJ/Fury negotiations leading to a $150 mil 50/50 split. Arum knows that for $75 mil he could toss a lion's den of lawyers suing Deyonce for astronomical damages, but point in fact neither Fury nor Deyonce wanted to risk being knocked out by AJ when they can mud 'rassle each other for a few mil apiece to stay alive in the division and maybe secure a big fight in the future.

Their trilogy in the here and now is obviously penile patooties in revenue and public interest and already knocked out by Corona.

He activated it right away. It was scheduled for last July. The MGM Grand was set aside.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Floyd vs Ingo immediate rematch, probably written in the contract is one precedent for the Fury/Wilder trilogy, but Floyd/Ingo was back to back to back.

Fury and Wilder took time away from their first fight before resuming hostilities after blatant ducks of AJ, and I don't use the term duck unless it is indeed blatantly obvious.

[Willie Pep 229]

Yea Patterson is a great precedent, twice

The immediate Liston rematch was probably based on two things, 1. Patterson's amazing comeback against Ingo, 2. Liston's unpopularity.

The earlier, immediate rematch, against Ingo may have come about becuse Ingo was a foreigner and the American boxing community probably didn't like the idea of the title (and all that money) going to Europe.

The impact of cultural politics and fighter popularity can make it so difficult to parse bixing's history.

The other immediate rematches I can think of seem justifiable: Walcott was probably winning on all the score cards; Sharkey probably got robbed.

I wonder if Ali hadn't tasted the canvas in the 15th round against Frazier would there have been more pressure for an immediate rematch?

[Willie Pep 229]

Sorry . . . I want to add whether there was an 'AJ' level contender out there waiting.

In the case of the Ingo rematch only Folley was waiting in the wings and I don't think he was thought to be earth shuddering. (Maybe Machon as well,)

When Ring Magazine finally sees fit to move Liston into the number one slot Patterson is already back with the title. Then the ducking of Liston begins, but that's irtelevant here.

When Patterson is given the rematch against Luston it's Clay next in line but there were many (but not Nat) who thought 'The Lip' unworthy.

[QueensburyRules]

He activated it right away. It was scheduled for last July. The MGM Grand was set aside.

- -Wilder let the third match lapse. There was a showy countdown in the press. You've confused some other date.

[SUBZER0ED]

- -Don't mean at no point will Deyonce ever fight AJ, nor at no point will I fight AJ now that I edged up to 210 lbs.

I'd fight AJ at half price of what U boys might want to claim...

A fight you would surely lose, little man.

[billeau2]

A fight you would surely lose, little man.

The doctor told queenie to lose 30 pounds of ugly fat he should chop his head off.

[QueensburyRules]

A fight you would surely lose, little man.

- -Never claimed otherwise.
If I wanted an easy win for peanuts, I'd fight U cornflakes and sugarpops...