Is Fury-Wilder unprecedented?

[billeau2]

You sound like a scantioning body advocate.

I heard sales were poor . . . Court order would not have carried to Saudi Arabia. . . . there is plenty of step aside money avaiable . . . Wilder looked like crap last time out . . . this is prize fighting 'contract' in this buisness doesn't historically hold up as it would with corporate America.

But mostly it sounds like you're hauling water for the WBC . . . Do you work for them ?

Come on now pep... Court orders have to carry or they become useless. We only have courts because we agree to abide. Punishments result when contracts are broken, or we cannot have contrcts. Prize fighting is big business. I don't pretend to know what is in Fury's head... But one thing I would bet my last dollar on is that given a choice, fighting Joshua, because of the money involved is logical.

I think fury might take this back to the courts... Anyone can see Wilder is a lot more motivated than Fury for this fight.

[QueensburyRules]

You have no common sense... what a surprise.

- -I state irrefutable facts, while U have U minders Ginsberg and Keroauk pull out fecund philosophy from U arrears.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Ah! "the facts" argument followed by an insult.

What’s not factual?

And where is the insult?

[billeau2]

- -I state irrefutable facts, while U have U minders Ginsberg and Keroauk pull out fecund philosophy from U arrears.

You never used a fact once... probably including back when these boards had no graphics... you Wouldn't know a fact if it shook that alcohol pickled peach in your noggin that goes for a brain... who are you kidding?

[Zonkmeister]

I still think it was Arum trying to avoid paying a step-aside that came back to bite him in the arse.

I'm also getting worried that Fury's seriously considering coming in at 300lbs. Maybe it's another madcap plan, maybe he ain't motivated to train for this one (no wonder, I'm not really all that motivated to watch it )

[Willie Pep 229]

Come on now pep... Court orders have to carry or they become useless. We only have courts because we agree to abide. Punishments result when contracts are broken, or we cannot have contrcts. Prize fighting is big business. I don't pretend to know what is in Fury's head... But one thing I would bet my last dollar on is that given a choice, fighting Joshua, because of the money involved is logical.

I think fury might take this back to the courts... Anyone can see Wilder is a lot more motivated than Fury for this fight.

"We" --- will an Arab nation that willingly harbors ********* care what an American or Britush judge might say?

Or are you saying that Fury, The Gypsy King , will feel obligated to obey the law?

Look at that Chicago-Dempsey contract T is on about all the tiine. Repudiating a fight contract does not come with much punishment at all; the court ruled that you can only collect on money spent not on anticipated revenue gained. The belief that Wilder would be able to sue for millions holds no legal precdent.

But the big picture IMO is that there were multiple ways to walk away from the the Wilder fight: use a foreign venue, Wilder's delay in enacting the rematch clause, or step aside money.

I am now in the 'Fury really didn't want the AJ fight' camp.

I truly do not believe a fight contract is as viable as we view most contracts; at the very least few are ever drafted in good faith. I don't see Wilder really having much legal success if Fury walks away.

[Willie Pep 229]

What’s not factual?

And where is the insult?

The Insult: "nonsense" and now tha laughing emoji - those are insulting. Those are the tactics of posters with no argument. Very common around here but less so in the history section.

'Facts,' not interpreted or used without context are of a lower congnative order usually associated with posters who use words like nonsense and rude emoji

If you missed it, please feel insulted. I am never impressed when mere facts are recited, everyone can read, you need to go deeper into the situation not make grand sweeping announcemts about how right you are based on mere out of context facts.

Empirical evidence is a must but also needs to be placed in historical context and evaluated for worth.

But most important I think you are the type of fan that empowers the likes of Arum and the WBC. You too quickly drink the Kool Aide.

There were ways for Fury to make the fight if he wanted it.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The Insult: "nonsense" and now tha laughing emoji - those are insulting.

Damn you’re sensitive.

My factual points were:

The fight was court ordered. Is that a fact or not? Yeah it’s a fact.

The fight is recognised by Ring, ESPN, TBRB and Boxrec as a Champion vs #2 or #1 vs #3 for ranking systems who don’t have a champion atop their rankings. Is that a fact or not? Yeah it’s also a fact.

Yeah this thread is nonsense, and now I will insult you, you’re a crackbrained, empty-headed imbecile.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

"We" --- will an Arab nation that willingly harbors ********* care what an American or Britush judge might say?

Or are you saying that Fury, The Gypsy King , will feel obligated to obey the law?

Look at that Chicago-Dempsey contract T is on about all the tiine. Repudiating a fight contract does not come with much punishment at all; the court ruled that you can only collect on money spent not on anticipated revenue gained. The belief that Wilder would be able to sue for millions holds no legal precdent.

But the big picture IMO is that there were multiple ways to walk away from the the Wilder fight: use a foreign venue, Wilder's delay in enacting the rematch clause, or step aside money.

I am now in the 'Fury really didn't want the AJ fight' camp.

I truly do not believe a fight contract is as viable as we view most contracts; at the very least few are ever drafted in good faith. I don't see Wilder really having much legal success if Fury walks away.

You haven’t seen the contract, you aren’t a legal expert, so your opinion is invalid.

You have no basis for your argument, how do you know the court order wouldn’t stand in Saudi? You don’t. You’re merely conjecturing, and worse, conjecturing on something your aren’t educated enough to conjecture about.

[billeau2]

"We" --- will an Arab nation that willingly harbors ********* care what an American or Britush judge might say?

Or are you saying that Fury, The Gypsy King , will feel obligated to obey the law?

Look at that Chicago-Dempsey contract T is on about all the tiine. Repudiating a fight contract does not come with much punishment at all; the court ruled that you can only collect on money spent not on anticipated revenue gained. The belief that Wilder would be able to sue for millions holds no legal precdent.

But the big picture IMO is that there were multiple ways to walk away from the the Wilder fight: use a foreign venue, Wilder's delay in enacting the rematch clause, or step aside money.

I am now in the 'Fury really didn't want the AJ fight' camp.

I truly do not believe a fight contract is as viable as we view most contracts; at the very least few are ever drafted in good faith. I don't see Wilder really having much legal success if Fury walks away.

I hear you on the Saudis, agreed... treatment of women as well. People are not obligated so much as forced... that's how laws work. When people are shamed through traditions, or following prescriptive ethics (though should... as opposed to thou shall not) they are obligated.

arbitration is often used because legal pleadings take time. Arbitration is Binding as a legal decision but it's ac way to get things done quick and dirty.

Contracts are supposed to guarantee good faith, otherwise why use them at all and use a common law witness, like a notery?