Is Fury-Wilder unprecedented?

[Shadoww702]

I'm super passed! Because now I ain't got SHT to watch tonite.

[ShoulderRoll]

There was a rematch clause in the contract that Fury has to honor.

They tried to weasel out of it to fight Joshua but the arbitrator didn't allow it.

So no, this is not a blatant duck.

[QueensburyRules]

Yes I agree there is no other fight out there but AJ - what I am wondering is there a previous example of this type of action. No doubt former HW Champions have taken easier fights when there was a viable contender waiting -- but has anyone been so obvious that they took a rematch with a fighter they already stopped, when it was obvious the fans didn't want the fight.

- -Re the rematch lawsuit: Deyonce had at least 6 months to enact his rematch clause that he failed to do, so legally had no case for a rematch, but somehow some WOKE judge took pity on him and his little disabled girl to rule in his favor. Normally with multi-tens of millions at stake, Fury could file counter suit, but Arum a sharp boxing lawyer likely thought, why bother when they could just dispose of Deyonce like yesterday's trash without paying extortionant stepaside $$$ and then move on to AJ. Enter The Fates unpredictability when Fury has a +Corona test that allows them to reset their failed promotional efforts. Now we have mentally ill 300lb Fury with Corona+ vs Deyonce protector of his little disabled daughter, so surely the public will rally around this fight in sympathy?

[GhostofDempsey]

They couldn’t make the AJ fight without surrendering the title. It’s unfortunate there was a mandatory in place that stood in the way of the fight fans really want (Fury/AJ). We could have had an undisputed HW champion this year. I hope Wilder suffers a humiliating beatdown worse than the last one. I’m not even a Fury fan, but Wilder’s excuses and abhorrent behavior leaves me wanting to see him sparked in the middle of the ring.

[billeau2]

You got me wondering something now . . . What if a judge orders that a contract be honored for a rematch but it can be reasonably shown that the fight would never meet the necessary PPV buys to cover the demanded purses.

Thus no promoter wants to touch the fight. What happens then?

Can a judge force a promoter to lose money ? I wouldn't think that possible. How can a judge force an event that will likely fail to pay the participants their contracted purses or cause the backers to lose money.

I was wondering the same thing... I bet it would and might well go back to arbitration and Wilder might get some damages, or, it will be declared an "act of God" slang for something insurance matters where someone cannot perform because of a natural event.

[billeau2]

Oh I was gonna pick your brain on stuff like that. Forced to fight seems a bit of a stretch really but I don't know any better than anyone else.

In my experience the only thing that can come of not making good on a contract is damages. Fury would be forced to pay Wilder whatever amount Wilder's team can get the judge to agree would be his lost earnings. And even then, I think that's only true if Fury continues to do business in the US.

I think dude could still fight Joshua and not even pay Wilder to do it TBH, but, I don't know.

I know I can sue Chinese all day long and get nothing but a promise they can't use the same entity to counterfeit me in the US or in nations that agree to US copyright laws. It's a massive waste of my time and money to sue foreigners whose home does not recognize out copyright laws. Poland and New Zealand are kinda the same just less popular in that regard. If you're a Pole you can make stuff and use my name to sell it and all I can really do is make sure you can't do that outside of Poland. A Chinese dude can use my name in China, Poland, and NZ and get them a decent chunk of my money without there being ****all I can do about it. SO, just based on that sort of nonsense, which I admit is well different, I'm not sure Fury has to do anything.

Joshua-Fury in Saudi, to me, means Fury can do what he wants. He doesn't have to fight Wilder or even pay him until he(Tyson) wants to fight in the states again.


Tough to say when you've "legal" experts on the forum who know less and have dealt less with contracts than I have. I'm sure we got at least one law school student let alone lawyer around but them speaking on it hasn't happened that I know of. Full disclosure, outside of licensing contracts and work-for-hire contracts I have signed a few with CBS for their various channels and shows. It all seems about the same. Civil is kind of fangless and really banks on the sued or contract breaker giving a damn about territorial markets.


I don't think a judge can force a man to fight anymore than they can force a man to play music for a record label. Y'all remember when Price was The Artist and why. It was his way of losing a suit and not giving them what they wanted anyway. Fury could be similar....you know, if Fury gave a damn about boxing like Prince did his music.

I have a feeling the Wilder Fury fight will go back to arbitration. Just a feeling. Because Fury may make the case that he tried to honor the contract in a time limit, but that there was nothng in the contract that called for Wilder having to absolutely be the next fight... In other worlds, "Wilder wanted to honor clause down the road, I Fury, man of many a s s e s, made a good faith effort to honor contract then caught covid, should be allowed to either move on, or pay some token amount, because I tried to honor the contract and could not. Fury would then make the case that Covid interfered twice, once generally and once when he got it.

There is a point where if a contract will cause great liability to a party, there are grounds to argue if there was a good faith effort to try and make good on promise.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Gonna dum it down.

Fury the undefeated 2x Ring champ never having lost his title in the ring with zer0 title defenses...unprecedented, and likely to never be repeated...

[The Old LefHook]

Every month the rubber match is dragged out goes against big leg.

[Marchegiano]

I have a feeling the Wilder Fury fight will go back to arbitration. Just a feeling. Because Fury may make the case that he tried to honor the contract in a time limit, but that there was nothng in the contract that called for Wilder having to absolutely be the next fight... In other worlds, "Wilder wanted to honor clause down the road, I Fury, man of many a s s e s, made a good faith effort to honor contract then caught covid, should be allowed to either move on, or pay some token amount, because I tried to honor the contract and could not. Fury would then make the case that Covid interfered twice, once generally and once when he got it.

There is a point where if a contract will cause great liability to a party, there are grounds to argue if there was a good faith effort to try and make good on promise.

Oh, **** yes, that sounds very Fury to me.

[billeau2]

- -Gonna dum it down.

Fury the undefeated 2x Ring champ never having lost his title in the ring with zer0 title defenses...unprecedented, and likely to never be repeated...

Your real good at dumming things down, and lower... and lower.