Is Fury-Wilder unprecedented?

[Willie Pep 229]

Is there another HW Champion (Fury) that chose a (fan) unwanted rematch when a real contender sits out (AJ) or is this the most blatant duck ever?

[Rockybigblower]

Well....Fury / Wilder is not unprecedented. They have done it 2 times before.

[QueensburyRules]

Is there another HW Champion (Fury) that chose a (fan) unwanted rematch when a real contender sits out (AJ) or is this the most blatant duck ever?

- -Mucho mas grande than that, Pep.

Fury legit won the Ring and unified titles of Wlad melting in the postpartum depression of his wife, but he never defended his titles with the rematch, DUCKING in one of the biggest(400lb) meltdowns in history.

Returns to avoid offers from the new unified champ, AJ who put in the hard work of cleaning out the heavy stables of Haymon to reunify the belts. Instead, Fury, teetering weak as a newborn kitty goes for the weak link, Deyonce resulting in a draw. OK, >>> AJ American debut fraught with Big Baby busted for multi PED usage needing an opponent, and all the top Americans and Brits refuse massive paydays to fight each other for peanuts. Fat Andy the only one willing to fight the Colossus, scores a Buster Douglas upset only to lose the rematch, so enter Deyonce and Fat Fury turning down purses dwarfing a King's ransom to fight each other again for Peanuts and the now tarnished Ring Belt after tuneup bouts. Fury with a KO for the ages lands a 50/50 split with AJ of $150 mil, but noooooo way is he gonna risk his first Ring Defense vs AJ, so queue in the Homeless Ring Belt being defended for the first time vs, yes ******ia, Deyonce, he of the dented noggin, now possibly on it's 3rd postponement as Fury melting like a spilt snowcone on a Coney Island boardwalk.

Ring, Fury, Deyonce, and WBC pretty much exposed here in a distinct lack of fighting acumen and manliness over, what 2015-2021, 6 years of infamy, only in boxing, folks...

[Willie Pep 229]

Well....Fury / Wilder is not unprecedented. They have done it 2 times before.

What . . . ?

[Willie Pep 229]

- -Mucho mas grande than that, Pep.

Fury legit won the Ring and unified titles of Wlad melting in the postpartum depression of his wife, but he never defended his titles with the rematch, DUCKING in one of the biggest(400lb) meltdowns in history.

Returns to avoid offers from the new unified champ, AJ who put in the hard work of cleaning out the heavy stables of Haymon to reunify the belts. Instead, Fury, teetering weak as a newborn kitty goes for the weak link, Deyonce resulting in a draw. OK, >>> AJ American debut fraught with Big Baby busted for multi PED usage needing an opponent, and all the top Americans and Brits refuse massive paydays to fight each other for peanuts. Fat Andy the only one willing to fight the Colossus, scores a Buster Douglas upset only to lose the rematch, so enter Deyonce and Fat Fury turning down purses dwarfing a King's ransom to fight each other again for Peanuts and the now tarnished Ring Belt after tuneup bouts. Fury with a KO for the ages lands a 50/50 split with AJ of $150 mil, but noooooo way is he gonna risk his first Ring Defense vs AJ, so queue in the Homeless Ring Belt being defended for the first time vs, yes ******ia, Deyonce, he of the dented noggin, now possibly on it's 3rd postponement as Fury melting like a spilt snowcone on a Coney Island boardwalk.

Ring, Fury, Deyonce, and WBC pretty much exposed here in a distinct lack of fighting acumen and manliness over, what 2015-2021, 6 years of infamy, only in boxing, folks...

Yes I agree there is no other fight out there but AJ - what I am wondering is there a previous example of this type of action. No doubt former HW Champions have taken easier fights when there was a viable contender waiting -- but has anyone been so obvious that they took a rematch with a fighter they already stopped, when it was obvious the fans didn't want the fight.

[Nash out]

The Nash says that Fury will give Joshua two beatings in 2022 if Joshua can get past Usyk. Nash out.

[Marchegiano]

Yes I agree there is no other fight out there but AJ - what I am wondering is there a previous example of this type of action. No doubt former HW Champions have taken easier fights when there was a viable contender waiting -- but has anyone been so obvious that they took a rematch with a fighter they already stopped, when it was obvious the fans didn't want the fight.

I'm a little bit confused. Are you unaware of the suit, or, do you reckon he could fight Joshua anyway?

I think most of us just accept it. Wilder brought Fury out of retirement, got stopped, then sued for the third. I might still be a Wilder fan but I too want an undisputed. I really wanted to see the historical all UK showdown but who TF knows if that'll ever happen. When Wilder won his court battle I just accepted Joshua ain't happening and didn't put much thought to it.

Honestly, I think mandatories as we know them should come after unification. Only an undisputed champion should have mandatory defenses against people without titles. All titlists' mandatories should be other titlists until there's only one and that guy can defend against belt-less contenders. Then we wouldn't even have this issue because Wlad would have been undisputed...or Bermane.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm a little bit confused. Are you unaware of the suit, or, do you reckon he could fight Joshua anyway?

I think most of us just accept it. Wilder brought Fury out of retirement, got stopped, then sued for the third. I might still be a Wilder fan but I too want an undisputed. I really wanted to see the historical all UK showdown but who TF knows if that'll ever happen. When Wilder won his court battle I just accepted Joshua ain't happening and didn't put much thought to it.

Honestly, I think mandatories as we know them should come after unification. Only an undisputed champion should have mandatory defenses against people without titles. All titlists' mandatories should be other titlists until there's only one and that guy can defend against belt-less contenders. Then we wouldn't even have this issue because Wlad would have been undisputed...or Bermane.

Yes I have heard of the suit but broken contracts and step aside money has always been part of the game (at least since the scantioning bodies have been involved.)

The AJ fight was makeable and the Wilder fight is unwanted.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm a little bit confused. Are you unaware of the suit, or, do you reckon he could fight Joshua anyway?

I think most of us just accept it. Wilder brought Fury out of retirement, got stopped, then sued for the third. I might still be a Wilder fan but I too want an undisputed. I really wanted to see the historical all UK showdown but who TF knows if that'll ever happen. When Wilder won his court battle I just accepted Joshua ain't happening and didn't put much thought to it.

Honestly, I think mandatories as we know them should come after unification. Only an undisputed champion should have mandatory defenses against people without titles. All titlists' mandatories should be other titlists until there's only one and that guy can defend against belt-less contenders. Then we wouldn't even have this issue because Wlad would have been undisputed...or Bermane.

You got me wondering something now . . . What if a judge orders that a contract be honored for a rematch but it can be reasonably shown that the fight would never meet the necessary PPV buys to cover the demanded purses.

Thus no promoter wants to touch the fight. What happens then?

Can a judge force a promoter to lose money ? I wouldn't think that possible. How can a judge force an event that will likely fail to pay the participants their contracted purses or cause the backers to lose money.

[Marchegiano]

You got me wondering something now . . . What if a judge orders that a contract be honored for a rematch but it can be reasonably shown that the fight would never meet the necessary PPV buys to cover the demanded purses.

Thus no promoter wants to touch the fight. What happens then?

Can a judge force a promoter to lose money ? I wouldn't think that possible. How can a judge force an event that will likely fail to pay the participants their contracted purses or cause the backers to lose money.

Oh I was gonna pick your brain on stuff like that. Forced to fight seems a bit of a stretch really but I don't know any better than anyone else.

In my experience the only thing that can come of not making good on a contract is damages. Fury would be forced to pay Wilder whatever amount Wilder's team can get the judge to agree would be his lost earnings. And even then, I think that's only true if Fury continues to do business in the US.

I think dude could still fight Joshua and not even pay Wilder to do it TBH, but, I don't know.

I know I can sue Chinese all day long and get nothing but a promise they can't use the same entity to counterfeit me in the US or in nations that agree to US copyright laws. It's a massive waste of my time and money to sue foreigners whose home does not recognize out copyright laws. Poland and New Zealand are kinda the same just less popular in that regard. If you're a Pole you can make stuff and use my name to sell it and all I can really do is make sure you can't do that outside of Poland. A Chinese dude can use my name in China, Poland, and NZ and get them a decent chunk of my money without there being ****all I can do about it. SO, just based on that sort of nonsense, which I admit is well different, I'm not sure Fury has to do anything.

Joshua-Fury in Saudi, to me, means Fury can do what he wants. He doesn't have to fight Wilder or even pay him until he(Tyson) wants to fight in the states again.


Tough to say when you've "legal" experts on the forum who know less and have dealt less with contracts than I have. I'm sure we got at least one law school student let alone lawyer around but them speaking on it hasn't happened that I know of. Full disclosure, outside of licensing contracts and work-for-hire contracts I have signed a few with CBS for their various channels and shows. It all seems about the same. Civil is kind of fangless and really banks on the sued or contract breaker giving a damn about territorial markets.


I don't think a judge can force a man to fight anymore than they can force a man to play music for a record label. Y'all remember when Price was The Artist and why. It was his way of losing a suit and not giving them what they wanted anyway. Fury could be similar....you know, if Fury gave a damn about boxing like Prince did his music.