What factors do you consider when determining a fighter’s greatness?

[QueensburyRules]

What factors do you consider when determining a fighter’s greatness?

To me, forgotten guys such as Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tubbs and Carl Williams have proved their greatness.
Accepting to share the ring with Tyson at a time when he was the most feared man in the world.

A lot of guts from these guys, who were just there to satisfy the spectators’ wishes to witness another execution.

There are plenty of Biggses and Tubbses in boxing history. I find greatness in them, greatness doesn’t necessarily
has to come with a title.

- -Buster obviously great on his day, but with his prediabetic condition could never realize his full physical potential, and how about the heroic effort put up by Razor Ruddock in consecutive beatdowns, his broken jaw hanging out ringing like a Church bell with every Tyson punch?

[billeau2]

Damn right, she worked him over and that's why he began to fail to make weight.

Puerto Rican women are nothing to trifle with... ask Margiano lol. Growing up in East Harlem they were the girls... And they were great, you just had to kind of accept the fact that copping a feel, making out, etc... You would probably be sporting a shiner for a few days after... But it was all in good fun... Unlike most places, in East harlem in the 70's when you went to homeroom with a shiner, instead of "owwww! you got hit hahaha who whipped that a s s?" it was more like: "Puerto Rican girl huh?"

[markusmod]

Puerto Rican women are nothing to trifle with... ask Margiano lol. Growing up in East Harlem they were the girls... And they were great, you just had to kind of accept the fact that copping a feel, making out, etc... You would probably be sporting a shiner for a few days after... But it was all in good fun... Unlike most places, in East harlem in the 70's when you went to homeroom with a shiner, instead of "owwww! you got hit hahaha who whipped that a s s?" it was more like: "Puerto Rican girl huh?"

We never got that Juanma vs. Gamboa fight. F Bob!

[QueensburyRules]

We never got that Juanma vs. Gamboa fight. F Bob!

- -How was he to know they'd self implode together?

[markusmod]

- -How was he to know they'd self implode together?

He waited too long. He invented the term "marinating"

[REDEEMER]

That's where the eyeball test comes in. Floyd Patterson was an immensely talented fighter, but in way over his head against Liston. It wasn't just Liston's size advantage, it was his superior skill that allowed for those two quick KO wins. Cleveland Williams in his prime was another highly underrated contender, and according to Foreman one of the three hardest hitters he ever sparred or fought in the ring. I would actually pick a prime Williams to beat a prime Wlad. Call me crazy.

Cleveland was a good fighter but he beats Klitschko ? Williams fought 30 guys coming off loses in about 60 fights in a decade and compiled many guys coming off loses throughout his career . He has struggled with big guys and defeated just a few punchers not close to Klitschko. Who on Williams wins to you see that shows the can defeat a Wlad Klitschko that he’s defeated ? I don’t see anyone ., I’m not even sure why a particular individual on here is using Sanders who was a huge southpaw as proof ? Wlad didn’t even train fir a southpaw that night and under Steward would be near a huge mismatch against a Cleveland Williams .

Pretending Haye , Peter , Povetkin, Brewster ,Byrd , Chambers , Ibragomov ( better southpaw then Sanders ) and AJ who he managed to hurt bad are just stiff jabb ,jabb repeat fighters is ridiculous as a reason Williams and Listons opponents were better .

[REDEEMER]

For me it’s title defenses against legit ranked guys . That should really be the definition because it’s the hardest thing to do when you are holding a belt / belts .

[Marchegiano]

For me it’s title defenses against legit ranked guys . That should really be the definition because it’s the hardest thing to do when you are holding a belt / belts .

What do you do with the pre-ratings fellas? WBA does start until 29. That puts the first ten HW champions outside of your criteria and that's just HW and just champions.

How does one judge a good contender prior to ratings?

I know we but heads a lot so I just want to end by making it clear I'm interested in your opinion and have no good answers to argue myself.

[REDEEMER]

What do you do with the pre-ratings fellas? WBA does start until 29. That puts the first ten HW champions outside of your criteria and that's just HW and just champions.

How does one judge a good contender prior to ratings?

I know we but heads a lot so I just want to end by making it clear I'm interested in your opinion and have no good answers to argue myself.

It wouldn’t matter what the ratings are ,it would be known who’s a legit fighter or not in rankings and how good they are . If there’s on,y one ranking system then you go by it .

Look at Wilders title defenses and Joshuas .


Theres a clear difference in quality ,AJ is easily fighting better guys that’s not debatable and everyone he’s fought he’s defeated so far ,no one has walked away from him not losing .


Marciano vs Ali’s title defenses ? Clearly Ali is greater and had more title defenses against better fighters .



Joe Louis and Holmes hold the records but did they really fight better opponents ? Not really .

[GhostofDempsey]

Cleveland was a good fighter but he beats Klitschko ? Williams fought 30 guys coming off loses in about 60 fights in a decade and compiled many guys coming off loses throughout his career . He has struggled with big guys and defeated just a few punchers not close to Klitschko. Who on Williams wins to you see that shows the can defeat a Wlad Klitschko that he’s defeated ? I don’t see anyone ., I’m not even sure why a particular individual on here is using Sanders who was a huge southpaw as proof ? Wlad didn’t even train fir a southpaw that night and under Steward would be near a huge mismatch against a Cleveland Williams .

Pretending Haye , Peter , Povetkin, Brewster ,Byrd , Chambers , Ibragomov ( better southpaw then Sanders ) and AJ who he managed to hurt bad are just stiff jabb ,jabb repeat fighters is ridiculous as a reason Williams and Listons opponents were better .

If he can knock out Terrell who was just as big as Wlad, and had a better chin, he can beat Wlad. Boxers' overall skills have diminished over the decades. Particularly in the HW division. Any time Wlad got tagged on the chin he spazzed out and lost his composure. Hence his tendency to jab and grab and basically try to survive each fight and use his size advantage to either keep them on the outside or lean on them during clinches. Wlad was a modern day Primo Carnera. Watch the film on each of them, very similar. Carnera was considered a sideshow attraction and a joke amongst the HW division. Many of his wins were fixed. Wlad prospered in a weak division and a considerable size advantage. He was knocked out by Puritty, Sanders and Brewster, far lesser fighters than Williams. Even AJ is very limited. He has a weak defense and suspect chin. Another large super HW using his size advantage to feast on a weak division.