Sonny Liston vs Archie Moore

[uncle ben]

Prime 1960 Liston vs prime, late 40s-early 50s Archie Moore. How long does it last?

[markusmod]

Prime 1960 Liston vs prime, late 40s-early 50s Archie Moore. How long does it last?

Wow, very close in my mind, but I would back Liston to win by knockout in the late rounds.

[Willie Pep 229]

Wow, very close in my mind, but I would back Liston to win by knockout in the late rounds.

IMHO four rounds. The Mongoose was a cagey fighter but not necessarily a great defensive fighter. He liked to engage and had more than a few exciting goes. Moore to me isn't the type of fighter who would try to avoid Liston, strategizing to take him into the late rounds. He would engage him from the opening bell and Liston's power would be too much.

I suspect he would have his moments with Liston though. The Mongoose could find anybody. ( Accept Ali that is, but that was so near the end; and it was Ali.) He would have gotten some good shots in but wouldn't have moved Liston.

He had good cause to run against Marciano but he didn't.

Eh! Just my two cents.

P.S. I would have loved to see his goes with Holman Williams.

[billeau2]

Prime 1960 Liston vs prime, late 40s-early 50s Archie Moore. How long does it last?

UNcle Ben...you may be aware that Moores' Nom de Plume was the mongoose. And what is a mongoose? looks like a glorified squirrel but can take a cobra, one of the smartest, fastest, strongest snakes... Archie is real smoke flavor! I think he could beat Liston. its a style thing. Archie was beating Marciano for a while, what saved marciano was pure activity level... he eventually was too much for Archie because Archie could not keep up. Liston did not fight that way.

james Toney studied Moore and is IMO a protege that represents the mongoose very well. Toney never had a problem with the size, or the punch of heavyweights, I think he could have beat Vlad (not Vitalie). Liston has a real problem here: Archie has the movement skills to deal with the jab, he has the counterpunch to catch Sonny at the end of his combos... and Sonny can catch him a few times cause Archie has a chin. I see a close fight here, either man winning on points, and if I absolutely have to bet the house? im going with Archie.

[The Old LefHook]

Moore will knocked cold in a few rounds. End of discussion.

[markusmod]

IMHO four rounds. The Mongoose was a cagey fighter but not necessarily a great defensive fighter. He liked to engage and had more than a few exciting goes. Moore to me isn't the type of fighter who would try to avoid Liston, strategizing to take him into the late rounds. He would engage him from the opening bell and Liston's power would be too much.

I suspect he would have his moments with Liston though. The Mongoose could find anybody. ( Accept Ali that is, but that was so near the end; and it was Ali.) He would have gotten some good shots in but wouldn't have moved Liston.

He had good cause to run against Marciano but he didn't.

Eh! Just my two cents.

P.S. I would have loved to see his goes with Holman Williams.

That's more or less how I think it goes, too, in terms of Mongoose engaging and getting drilled.

[uncle ben]

Moore will knocked cold in a few rounds. End of discussion.

You underestimate the Mongoose

[The Old LefHook]

You underestimate the Mongoose

You mean the guy who could not beat Charley Burley or Ezzard Charles even once.

[billeau2]

You mean the guy who could not beat Charley Burley or Ezzard Charles even once.

Those guys were pretty damn good Lefty! lol. Burley did apparently really do a number on Archie, I still would love to see that fight. I forget how the Charles fight went...

[StarshipTrooper]

Liston by KO sometime in the mid rounds. Moore was a top-3 Light-Heavy but didn't really carry that greatness up in weight and in my opinion his chin was kind of shaky at Heavy. Moore's quickness and cleverness carries him for a few rounds but eventually Liston's jab starts getting through and a left hook closes the show.