Is Duran the greatest fighter still alive today?

[GhostofDempsey]

What? A Manny hater based on what?


And you left Arum out. We both know he can be a liar...but I imagine you left him out because it makes no sense for him to lie about this....right? Did you think him not being in your post wouldn't be a glaring omission?

Iole wrote several very unfair and critical articles of Manny when he fought Margarito and Mosley. Arum is Arum, but Schaefer himself said he knew nothing about that contract, and no one ever produced a copy of it. If it existed, Floyd would have been the first one to post it to social media and the internet to prove himself. But again, you’re hung up on some he-said/she-said nonsense, when I already laid out the timeline. By 2011 Manny agreed to full random testing. Since then, it was one excuse after another from Floyd and and his camp. The whole drug testing fiasco was an excuse within itself, Floyd never made those demands of any other fighter. He also had a suspect relationship with USADA. Keep grabbing for straws tho...

[GhostofDempsey]

There were no rumblings. Dr. Goodman is in a video with him talking about it when she was on the NSAC board. I think it was the video filmed before the Gatti fight.


The fighter that did get busted for trying to take something was Pacquiao when his doctor tried to shoot him up with Toradol in the dressing room before the Mayweather fight, and then admit that he didn't need the shot when questioned.

Yes, there were rumblings of Floyd’s injections. The articles are out there if you care to do some unbiased research.

[travestyny]

Iole wrote several very unfair and critical articles of Manny when he fought Margarito and Mosley. Arum is Arum, but Schaefer himself said he knew nothing about that contract, and no one ever produced a copy of it. If it existed, Floyd would have been the first one to post it to social media and the internet to prove himself. But again, you’re hung up on some he-said/she-said nonsense, when I already laid out the timeline. By 2011 Manny agreed to full random testing. Since then, it was one excuse after another from Floyd and and his camp. The whole drug testing fiasco was an excuse within itself, Floyd never made those demands of any other fighter. He also had a suspect relationship with USADA. Keep grabbing for straws tho...

What does "Arum is Arum" mean? That doesn't address anything. Why would he lie about this? He just chose to go along with Kevin Iole who is supposedly a Pacquiao hater (can you point me to one of these unfair articles) and Mayweather? Doesn't add up, now does it?


You didn't lay out the timeline. You cherry picked the timeline. When I asked you about Mayweather asking for the fight before going to prison, you didn't say anything. When I pointed you to De La Hoya claiming that Mayweather wanting the fight but Arum saying, nope, not this time. We want Marquez...Floyd will always be there, you again didn't respond to that.


So do you want to respond to any of those and why Arum would join sides with those on the other side, or do you want to duck it all? Also, I'd love to see one of those Iole articles so I can see exactly what you are talking about. Show us! Don't just throw something out there with no way for us to make a decision about without seeing the proof. Let's see it.

[BattlingNelson]

Paquiao and Mayweather is probably in fairness to regard as boxing history now. I somehow feel that it takes a phd to sort out the aspects in all the years leading to their belated encounter. If you guys feel like it, I’d encourage you to make a thread about it as this is a very interesting subject to many.

[GhostofDempsey]

What does "Arum is Arum" mean? That doesn't address anything. Why would he lie about this? He just chose to go along with Kevin Iole who is supposedly a Pacquiao hater (can you point me to one of these unfair articles) and Mayweather? Doesn't add up, now does it?


You didn't lay out the timeline. You cherry picked the timeline. When I asked you about Mayweather asking for the fight before going to prison, you didn't say anything. When I pointed you to De La Hoya claiming that Mayweather wanting the fight but Arum saying, nope, not this time. We want Marquez...Floyd will always be there, you again didn't respond to that.


So do you want to respond to any of those and why Arum would join sides with those on the other side, or do you want to duck it all? Also, I'd love to see one of those Iole articles so I can see exactly what you are talking about. Show us! Don't just throw something out there with no way for us to make a decision about without seeing the proof. Let's see it.

I laid out a very accurate timeline. You continue to counter with fictitious contracts and Mayweathers' words, which account for nothing since he is a proven liar. You cherry picked your own facts. Mayweather has been injecting his hands for years. NASC allows this under certain limited conditions, Floyd being one of those conditions. This is why he only fights in Vegas, because Xylocaine is banned in all other states.

Like I said, if there was a contract, Floyd would have been waving it around in front of the media and calling out Pacquiao. That never happened, because there was no contract. It's funny how you insist on sources for everything, post hundred year old anonymous articles to prove a position, yet you hinge your faith on Floyd signing a 50/50 contract with absolutely no evidence outside of the word of Iole and Floyd. Stop wasting my time with bullshyt, This is your M.O., run people in circles repeating yourself and calling them duckers and liars until they are tired of arguing with you. Then act like a jackass insisting you schooled someone, along with your loyal little clique. Go back the Pac/Floyd investigation thread before someone else gets the last word.

[Willie Pep 229]

Impossible because the contract was signed before this was proposed. But nice try.


By the way, now that you know Pacquiao declined the fight over having to give less than 2 tbsps of blood as early as 15 days before the fight, what do you think that was about?

I think you have been exposed!

[travestyny]

I laid out a very accurate timeline. You continue to counter with fictitious contracts and Mayweathers' words, which account for nothing since he is a proven liar. You cherry picked your own facts. Mayweather has been injecting his hands for years. NASC allows this under certain limited conditions, Floyd being one of those conditions. This is why he only fights in Vegas, because Xylocaine is banned in all other states.

You were telling me in one thread that I didn't believe De La Hoya about something....which was false. I never disagreed with De La Hoya about anything. Now you are saying I'm basing everything on Mayweather's words, when I just told you that De La Hoya was the one that said he knows Mayweather wants the fight, and he was begging for Pacquiao to accept the fight. But Pac and his team said they were going in a different route.

So do you believe De La Hoya now? Or suddenly we shouldn't believe him? You need to make up your mind. What do you think?


As for shooting up his hands, it would be allowed if he has proof that his hands are hurt. That's why they would have allowed Pacquiao's drugs if he had proof of an injury. Not for Toradol, but for Lidocaine because it's topical. He didn't have proof of an injury. Obviously Mayweather did because there was an entire special about his hands before one of the fights, and the commission took part in the video.

Like I said, if there was a contract, Floyd would have been waving it around in front of the media and calling out Pacquiao. That never happened, because there was no contract. It's funny how you insist on sources for everything, post hundred year old anonymous articles to prove a position, yet you hinge your faith on Floyd signing a 50/50 contract with absolutely no evidence outside of the word of Iole and Floyd. Stop wasting my time with bullshyt, This is your M.O., run people in circles repeating yourself and calling them duckers and liars until they are tired of arguing with you. Then act like a jackass insisting you schooled someone, along with your loyal little clique. Go back the Pac/Floyd investigation thread before someone else gets the last word.

Sources? I pointed out three sources that there was a contract. You pointed out one and decided to run with that because it fit your agenda.

Once again, I see nothing about why Bob Arum would lie there. It's a glaring omission. You even said based on nothing but the word of Iole and Floyd while I've been begging you to address Bob Arum. You are so bad at this it's comical. Are you ever going to address why Bob Arum would lie or you just think your argument is better leaving it out. To me, it seems like you are just ducking it.


There would be no circle to run you in if you would stop your fierce ducking.

[travestyny]

I think you have been exposed!

When did that happen. Feel free to point it out. I know you were exposed for lying about why Pacquiao refused blood testing

[GhostofDempsey]

You were telling me in one thread that I didn't believe De La Hoya about something....which was false. I never disagreed with De La Hoya about anything. Now you are saying I'm basing everything on Mayweather's words, when I just told you that De La Hoya was the one that said he knows Mayweather wants the fight, and he was begging for Pacquiao to accept the fight. But Pac and his team said they were going in a different route.

So do you believe De La Hoya now? Or suddenly we shouldn't believe him? You need to make up your mind. What do you think?


As for shooting up his hands, it would be allowed if he has proof that his hands are hurt. That's why they would have allowed Pacquiao's drugs if he had proof of an injury. Not for Toradol, but for Lidocaine because it's topical. He didn't have proof of an injury. Obviously Mayweather did because there was an entire special about his hands before one of the fights, and the commission took part in the video.




Sources? I pointed out three sources that there was a contract. You pointed out one and decided to run with that because it fit your agenda.

Once again, I see nothing about why Bob Arum would lie there. It's a glaring omission. You even said based on nothing but the word of Iole and Floyd while I've been begging you to address Bob Arum. You are so bad at this it's comical. Are you ever going to address why Bob Arum would lie or you just think your argument is better leaving it out. To me, it seems like you are just ducking it.


There would be no circle to run you in if you would stop your fierce ducking.

Come see me when you have a contract. Not someone's word for it, but the actual contract.

[travestyny]

Come see me when you have a contract. Not someone's word for it, but the actual contract.

LMAO. I still don't see anything there about Bob Arum Ducking with glaring ferocity