Floyd Mayweather vs Willie Pep at Super Featherweight

[wichito_one]

Its funny, both the Great A and I were just arguing this yesterday against someone on NSB. Other sports evolve thru their equipment to allow its competitors to get better. Tracks and feilds have evolved to let people run faster. Pads are lighter. Clothing in some soports like skiing and swimming have become aerodynamic to allow competitors to be faster. Baseball fields got smaller while the balls have been juiced to be hit further. Tennis rackets, skates, etc, etc, etc, are all geared for the athlete. Boxers on the other hand wear heavier gloves, fight less rounds and less often. I just can't see how that makes them better today. How they have evolved.

Damn good post there man. I have to agree with you 100% on that. Alot of boxers have it too easy now a days that is why we have too many stuck up vaginas not wanting to fight each other.

[TheGreatA]

Cus D'Amato was an old school trainer who made Tyson watch old fight films from the Jim Jacobs & Bill Clayton collection. He has likely seen films that none of us know even existed.

Tyson was a student of the game who had great appreciation for the old timers and drew a lot of his inspiration from them, particularly Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis.

Bernard Hopkins and James Toney, two of the most skilled fighters of this era, both state Jersey Joe Walcott, Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles as their inspirations.

“I developed my style by watching tapes of old fighters. I watched Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott constantly. I learned a lot from watching these guys and studying"

-James Toney

"I'm cut from the cloth of the old Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Henry Armstrong tradition. Those are people I look up to."

-Bernard Hopkins

Willie Joyce was an underrated lightweight/welterweight contender who was coming off wins over the likes of Henry Armstrong, Ike Williams, Chalky Wright and Lew Jenkins. Pep outboxed Joyce to win a shutout 10 round decision in one of the most impressive performances of his career.

Pep fought and beat lightweights his whole career so competing against bigger men wasn't impossible for him. Mayweather's size could be the deciding factor here however although I'm not sure if Floyd would be able to impose his greater size and strength on Pep, it's not exactly his style.

Picture of Willie Joyce:



Willie Joyce vs Beau Jack:

[RightCross94]

the battle of old vs new is ******, both old timers and new boxers are for the most part, equal. As jab and the great A said, boxing isnt a sport where you can modify things a whole lot, there isnt a lot different besides shorter fights, quicker stoppages and better quality gloves.

However, the really old timers, such as pre 1900 fighters, were really pretty primitive and wouldnt do well today

[SugarRayRealist]

No it hasn't come harsh its just a friendly disagreement.

I think floyd beats pep fairly easily the same reason i think mike tyson would beat joe louis easily, fighters back in the day never seen fighting styles such as mayweathers or tysons.

And it does sound ridiculous saying the game is faster without proof but i still believe it is, I guess just because in every other sport we have seen progression year after year and records constantly being broken. And athletes have much more knowledge now on how to eat and train to make themselves better. It would suprise me if boxing was the only sport that remained constant

Danny boy, you know absolutely nothing about differing eras in boxing. I remembered the 50s down to now; and I can tell you through my eyes that the only difference between now and then is a little weight and height progression. Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson among many other fighters during that time was so much faster than Mike Tyson. Rocky Marciano though smaller but he hit harder with one punch than Tyson!! Willie Pep was very crafty and very very fast. Don't ever talk down on fighters because they are from a era that is different than yours. Just say it's debatable if you haven't witnessed both eras. Willie Pep could have beaten Floyd by decision because Willie was actually faster and moved around on his toes whereas Floyd has never fought someone that skilled before. But don't get me wrong I do like Floyd a lot.... Take from someone who remembers both eras. I know I've been a boxing fanatic for a long time as I was also a fighter.

[SugarRayRealist]

Era's not the true indicators of greatness ability is!

No it hasn't come harsh its just a friendly disagreement.

I think floyd beats pep fairly easily the same reason i think mike tyson would beat joe louis easily, fighters back in the day never seen fighting styles such as mayweathers or tysons.

And it does sound ridiculous saying the game is faster without proof but i still believe it is, I guess just because in every other sport we have seen progression year after year and records constantly being broken. And athletes have much more knowledge now on how to eat and train to make themselves better. It would suprise me if boxing was the only sport that remained constant

Danny boy, you know absolutely nothing about differing eras in boxing. I remembered the 50s down to now; and I can tell you through my eyes that the only difference between now and then is a little weight and height progression. Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson among many other fighters during that time was so much faster than Mike Tyson. Rocky Marciano though smaller but he hit harder with one punch than Tyson!! Willie Pep was very crafty and very very fast. Don't ever talk down on fighters because they are from a era that is different than yours. Just say it's debatable if you haven't witnessed both eras. Willie Pep could have beaten Floyd by decision because Willie was actually faster and moved around on his toes whereas Floyd has never fought someone that skilled before. But don't get me wrong I do like Floyd a lot.... Take from someone who remembers both eras. I know I've been a boxing fanatic for a long time as I was also a fighter.