Post You All-Time Great Lists! (No Trolls)

[GJC]

Tiger was a great fighter on his day but so hot and cold

[GJC]

I have a policy against placing Heavyweights on p4p lists: It's as simple as that.

Accomplishments may or may not reveal ability as someone can accomplish a lot against weak opposition while someone else can accomplish less against a murders row but still be considered the better fighter.

Skill is only one part of the equation. Attibutes is a better term: Skills are one of those attributes. As for Fitzsimmons I've done quite a bit of research on him and how boxing historians have regarded him and his abilities. It's only relatively recently that people have developed such distain for pre-1960 fighters.

Poet

Looked at your 20 and my 20 and we have 16 the same actually
You've got
Pascual Perez
Eder Jofre
Miguel Canto
Carlos Zarate

and i've got
Greb
Moore
Ross
Sanchez

So not too far out I guess

[Boxing_12]

Both are good fighters. Tiger is a legitimate ATG and Ortiz a near great.

Poet

how is ortiz not a full atg when he made 15 defences of his title?

[StarshipTrooper]

how is ortiz not a full atg when he made 15 defences of his title?

Because, as I said before, accomplishments are only one of many factors that go into how I rank fighters with ability being the most important. That's why I rank Sonny Liston over Rocky Marciano despite the fact that Liston made only one successful defense of the Heavyweight title while Marciano made six and retired undefeated.

Poet

[Boxing_12]

Because, as I said before, accomplishments are only one of many factors that go into how I rank fighters with ability being the most important. That's why I rank Sonny Liston over Rocky Marciano despite the fact that Liston made only one successful defense of the Heavyweight title while Marciano made six and retired undefeated.

Poet

What are your thoughts on Jeff Chandler and Micky Walker?

[StarshipTrooper]

What are your thoughts on Jeff Chandler and Micky Walker?

I have Walker at #16 on my Middleweight ATG list. If that seems low, bear in mind I have 22 fighters I rank as ATGs in that weight class: The Middleweight division is historically VERY deep. Now I haven't seen much footage of Walker unfortunately but from everything I've read he was an excellent fighter.

Chandler is my #32 all-time Bantamweight. I've had the pleasure of watching a number of his fights and I can say that I believe him to be a truly terrific fighter.

Poet

[Boxing_12]

I have Walker at #16 on my Middleweight ATG list. If that seems low, bear in mind I have 22 fighters I rank as ATGs in that weight class: The Middleweight division is historically VERY deep. Now I haven't seen much footage of Walker unfortunately but from everything I've read he was an excellent fighter.

Chandler is my #32 all-time Bantamweight. I've had the pleasure of watching a number of his fights and I can say that I believe him to be a truly terrific fighter.

Poet

What were Chandler's best weapons as a fighter?

[StarshipTrooper]

What were Chandler's best weapons as a fighter?

His counter-punches. Now: What's the point of the constant questions? When someone plays this sort of thing I smell a troll.

Poet

[Stoppage]

Because, as I said before, accomplishments are only one of many factors that go into how I rank fighters with ability being the most important. That's why I rank Sonny Liston over Rocky Marciano despite the fact that Liston made only one successful defense of the Heavyweight title while Marciano made six and retired undefeated.

Poet

It's posts like these that make me not respect your opinions.

[Boxing_12]

His counter-punches. Now: What's the point of the constant questions? When someone plays this sort of thing I smell a troll.

Poet

Just interested in learning about some of the ATG fighters. And considering that you seem to have saw alot of him, what better person to ask.

Problem?