Naw, he's one of Tunney's band of Eastern Euro nuthuggers.
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Yeah ? i hadn't noticed.
Do you reckon he is/was...............Hungryherbet ? he was a bit of a Kilt fan who stood by everything Tunney and WLADOWNS said, he disappeared all of sudden though.
Like I already explained, the Liston example is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the Frazier fight so you failed to prove that Ali wanted to quit against Frazier, mate. On Espn classic Dundee himself stated that Ali did not want to quit. It would be ******ed for him to do so, since he was close to finishing Frazier off, had more left in him and Frazier couldn't see anything. The point is that Ali never quit like Salty Gay Robinson and Joe Louis and that's a fact. You put too much stock into rumours.
Again, I agreed that Ali was not about to quit against Frazier but he did want to quit against Liston. It was not an irrelevant example since you were discussing whether Ali ever wanted to quit or not.
Neither Robinson or Louis quit as I've proven over and over.
And like I said, Boxing is extremely dangerous. Fighters fight dehydrated all the time. It's part of the sport. You are making exceptions for Gay, he simply should not have been in the ring if he was ****** enough not to drink anything before the fight. In fact lad, did you not tell me once that Robinson once said that he never drank anything before his fights?
Fighters don't fight that dehydrated all the time. That's a ridiculous statement.
Robinson did not drink anything before his fights, which cost him under the extreme conditions he fought against Maxim. As I've proven before it was not only Robinson who suffered from dehydration, the referee and several ringside viewers had to be taken out as well.
And Louis, it is quite clear that he was very discouraged when Schmeling went in for the kill, and could see in his facial expressions that he wanted nothing more to do with that animal. He was concious and rolling around a bit on the canvas. He even went down in a half arsed way. He just QUIT. PLain and simple. Joe Louis is another lad that could dish it out, but not receive it.
Louis had taken a beating for 12 rounds and had suffered a serious knockdown in the early rounds from which many would not have recovered.
He rallied in the late rounds and by the 12th it was obvious he was spent. Schmeling landed numerous combinations in that round and knocked Louis down with a right hand from which he could not get up.
You are pretty much the only one I've heard who has accused Louis of "quitting" in that fight.
Haha, I knew you would bring up Tyson's fights against Williams and Mcbride. How irrelevent yet again mate, you are borderline close to getting the nickname FAILMACHINE. I gave you an example of Tyson not quitting against Lewis. The fact that he may have quit in other fights does not cover up the fact that he showed more balls that night than any Salty Gay fighters you look up to.
This is a major "fail" on your part. By excusing Tyson's quitting due to the fact that he did not quit against Lewis shows your hypocrisy and bias. What about the 200 other fights in which Robinson was never stopped and showed trendemous heart?
What about all the times Louis was knocked down and came back to knock his opponents out?
And saying Maxim had a great chin is hardly a compliment. You should have mentioned his courage, heart and mental toughness. Of cource you never did untill I, the Slimey one, forced it out of you, you ****.
Not true. I can even point out to posts I've made on other forums where I've given Maxim his just credit.
http://www. e a s t s i d e b o x i n g .com/forum/showpost.php?p=4288495&postcount=43
And some more excuses about the thunderdome thread? Perhaps you were dehydrated that day, innit mate? haha, or maybe I had a weight advantage on you. It was a fact that you took several knees in that thread and finally QUIT and ran off with your tail between your legs.
Face it lad, when I replied, that thread was in the first page of the Thunderdome for a week. You simply quit, like your cowardly bumbeating overrated idols.
You didn't post for days, I never looked there again, end of story. I imagined you had disappered like a ghost as you had in all of our other arguments when you had nothing to say against the facts I presented.
Do you reckon he is/was...............Hungryherbet ? he was a bit of a Kilt fan who stood by everything Tunney and WLADOWNS said, he disappeared all of sudden though.
Is that HungryHerbert? For a while he was running around as clone of TheGreatA mocking his posts. He needs a life.....seriously.
He's not overrated at all IMO. Obviously he's beatable, but who isn't? He truley is great and deserves all the credit he gets.
In his prime I beleive he was trule unbeatable. The night he fought Cleveland Williams was the peak of his physical prowess and no fighter of any discipline would have touched him that night
There were not many fighters who were not afraid to fight Sonny Liston,let alone fight him not being able to see.I don't know of any other fighter who could have fought Liston half blind and got through the round,do you?
Would of,could of,should of.....The fact is Ali did not quit.He fought the menacing,invinsible,unbeatable Sonny Liston half blind and survided the round.Then was back in complete control the next round.
This is all actually a plus on Ali's boxing resume' .A young Cassius Clay with only 19 pro fights easily beats Liston,and fighting 1 round not being able to see!!
Again, I agreed that Ali was not about to quit against Frazier but he did want to quit against Liston. It was not an irrelevant example since you were discussing whether Ali ever wanted to quit or not.
Neither Robinson or Louis quit as I've proven over and over.
Fighters don't fight that dehydrated all the time. That's a ridiculous statement.
Robinson did not drink anything before his fights, which cost him under the extreme conditions he fought against Maxim. As I've proven before it was not only Robinson who suffered from dehydration, the referee and several ringside viewers had to be taken out as well.
Louis had taken a beating for 12 rounds and had suffered a serious knockdown in the early rounds from which many would not have recovered.
He rallied in the late rounds and by the 12th it was obvious he was spent. Schmeling landed numerous combinations in that round and knocked Louis down with a right hand from which he could not get up.
You are pretty much the only one I've heard who has accused Louis of "quitting" in that fight.
This is a major "fail" on your part. By excusing Tyson's quitting due to the fact that he did not quit against Lewis shows your hypocrisy and bias. What about the 200 other fights in which Robinson was never stopped and showed trendemous heart?
What about all the times Louis was knocked down and came back to knock his opponents out?
Not true. I can even point out to posts I've made on other forums where I've given Maxim his just credit.
http://www. e a s t s i d e b o x i n g .com/forum/showpost.php?p=4288495&postcount=43
You didn't post for days, I never looked there again, end of story. I imagined you had disappered like a ghost as you had in all of our other arguments when you had nothing to say against the facts I presented.
Yes it was an irrelevant example because I was discussing wether Ali wanted to quit or not in the Frazier fight. You were the first moron to even mention the Liston fight. It's not my fault your English is so crappy that you can't comprehend the most simple stuff, mate.
Nowadays in the lower weight classes MANY fighters do fight dehydrated. Again, it's not my fault you're so stuck in the past that all those all fights are shoved up your arse. I doubt you even follow todays Boxing. The most recent example was De La Hoya- Pacquiao. Very dangerous there too. He of cource pulled a SGR as we all know.
Now, you are still making excuses for Salty Gay Robinson. I want to see you say that it was his OWN fault. It's the ****'s own mistake for not drinking anything before the fight. What a fooking idiotic thing to do, innit? Can you atleast admit this was his fault and mistake? I know this will be a very very VERY hard thing for you to do since admitting a SINGLE flaw about Gay is like a bullet through the heart to you. Try it out lad.
And actually I've heard people say before that Louis didn't have much of an effort to get up after that knockdown. And of cource you won't find anyone here say it because it's filled with Louis arsehole pluckers such as you. It's undeniable that the **** was still concious, didn't go down badly as he held on to the ropes and didn't bounce his head on the mat. And he was looking around annoyed and tired. ZERO effort to get up. QUITTER.
What about Louis getting up? Wow, so impressive getting up against bums. FAIL.
And I was comparing 1 fight to the other. Lewis-Tyson to SGR-Maxim. We all know Tyson didn't even want to be in the ring anymore and hadn't won any meaningful fight in a long time against Williams and Mcbride. GAY Robinson on the other hand was still an active good fighter, and was beating Maxim out of all people. Another FAIL there mate. Terrible example as always, which im used to by now. You want another good example? Margarito having nothing left and still meeting his fate against Mosley. He was KO'd like a man. Unlike Salty GAY the quitter.
And nice excuses there again mate. Face it, you couldn't handle the heat anymore in that thunderdome thread. You quit like your 2 idols It's funny how you were ranting over there about how I supposedly left arguments we had before, and you did the same thing there hahaha. I schooled you there. Remember when you accused of being some guys alt there? I quickly OWNED you there and shut you up about it. I destroyed you in that thread which is why you quit.
Do you reckon he is/was...............Hungryherbet ? he was a bit of a Kilt fan who stood by everything Tunney and WLADOWNS said, he disappeared all of sudden though.
No, I can confirm that I am DEFINITELY not this Hungryherbet. I've never been on this forum before. That's it. And I am not a fanatical Klitschko fan, I just happen to like and admire the brothers. Is that such a crazy thing??
Yes it was an irrelevant example because I was discussing wether Ali wanted to quit or not in the Frazier fight. You were the first moron to even mention the Liston fight. It's not my fault your English is so crappy that you can't comprehend the most simple stuff, mate.
Ali never wanted to quit, and was not a quitter, and never actually quit. That's all a bunch of nonsense from his dislikers. You have a lot of nerve making these claims while you sport an avatar with a cowardly quitter like that.
Nowadays in the lower weight classes MANY fighters do fight dehydrated. Again, it's not my fault you're so stuck in the past that all those all fights are shoved up your arse. I doubt you even follow todays Boxing. The most recent example was De La Hoya- Pacquiao. Very dangerous there too. He of cource pulled a SGR as we all know.
They don't fight dehydrated to the extent of Robinson because they have the possibility to rehydrate due to the weigh-ins being held a day before the fight.
De La Hoya was dehydrated no doubt, but he hadn't actually lost weight during the fight, leading to heat exhaustion as Robinson had. And De La Hoya did indeed quit while Robinson had to be carried out after 13 rounds.
Now, you are still making excuses for Salty Gay Robinson. I want to see you say that it was his OWN fault. It's the ****'s own mistake for not drinking anything before the fight. What a fooking idiotic thing to do, innit? Can you atleast admit this was his fault and mistake? I know this will be a very very VERY hard thing for you to do since admitting a SINGLE flaw about Gay is like a bullet through the heart to you. Try it out lad.
I'll be the first to tell you that it's foolish to go into a fight dehydrated, especially when you're going to fight under extreme conditions as Robinson and Maxim did.
My point was not that he was smart in doing it, my point is that he wasn't a coward for being dehydrated and having to be carried out of the ring after 13 rounds of fighting exhausted under extreme conditions.
And actually I've heard people say before that Louis didn't have much of an effort to get up after that knockdown. And of cource you won't find anyone here say it because it's filled with Louis arsehole pluckers such as you. It's undeniable that the **** was still concious, didn't go down badly as he held on to the ropes and didn't bounce his head on the mat. And he was looking around annoyed and tired. ZERO effort to get up. QUITTER.
Never heard anyone else say that, anywhere. Louis got up from a knockdown early on when he still had stamina and hadn't been beaten up, but by the 12th round he was beaten up and exhausted, unable to get up. That was that.
What about Louis getting up? Wow, so impressive getting up against bums. FAIL.
And I was comparing 1 fight to the other. Lewis-Tyson to SGR-Maxim. We all know Tyson didn't even want to be in the ring anymore and hadn't won any meaningful fight in a long time against Williams and Mcbride. GAY Robinson on the other hand was still an active good fighter, and was beating Maxim out of all people. Another FAIL there mate. Terrible example as always, which im used to by now. You want another good example? Margarito having nothing left and still meeting his fate against Mosley. He was KO'd like a man. Unlike Salty GAY the quitter.
Mike Tyson himself expressed his admiration for Louis, who got up against Walcott (certainly no bum) and came back to knock him out with a combination.
Lets face it, you shot yourself in the own foot by bringing up Mike Tyson. He certainly wasn't washed up against Holyfield, yet he got out of the fight by biting Holyfield.
Another "great" example in Margarito who was caught using plaster before the bout. He took his beating well but he wasn't in any danger to his health when the fight was stopped.
And nice excuses there again mate. Face it, you couldn't handle the heat anymore in that thunderdome thread. You quit like your 2 idols It's funny how you were ranting over there about how I supposedly left arguments we had before, and you did the same thing there hahaha. I schooled you there. Remember when you accused of being some guys alt there? I quickly OWNED you there and shut you up about it. I destroyed you in that thread which is why you quit.
I've made my point. You didn't show your face up there until days after I posted. I did respond to your arguments in an earlier post but you said nothing to that.
Shavers lost the fight clearly imo, he had a few good rounds late in the fight where he wobbled Ali but by and large he did too much stalking not enough letting his hands go.
Benncollinsaad does seem like a decent chap though.
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