Does anyone on here think Muhhamad Ali is overrated?

[Obama]

So now you can't even count dunce? It was 5 seconds.Nothing more or nothing less and dundee estimated the time as being even longer.You don't have to be in the corner to count the time in between rounds you moron,If anything considering the shape clay was in at that point.I would take the time keeper and press rows timing over a frantics Angelo Dundee's.Oh wait I forgot there's the actual film there for me to see under my own eyes.

Not only have you actually failed to produce any type of evidence here,You've also gone back on your original statement.The fact that you go along using debunked myths as facts pretty much validates you as a dunce.Now run along ang go watch HBO's re runs of legendary nights while you wait for the next installment of 24/7 Dunce.I'd prefer to discuss matters with those who actually know boxing

mmGAY may be your kind of sport

If you were smart, you'd realize you make too many assumptions and I've actually contradicted nothing. And if you're not making too many assumptions, you simply aren't very good at reading. This wouldn't surprise me given your favorite vocabulary words seem to be dunce and moron.

[princemanspoper]

game, set, match.Bye Bye dunce

[Slimey Limey]

I brought up the first Ali-Liston fight as an example that Ali did have thoughts of quitting in his mind. Not in the Thrilla in Manila, but against Liston.



I brought up the Ali-Holmes fight because it was a situation comparable to the Robinson-Maxim fight, with Ali's health being endangered had he continued to fight, just like Robinson's. I do not criticize Ali for this bout, thus I do not stoop down to your level, because I feel both situations were acceptable and neither fighter should be accused of any "cowardice". It is you who feels the need to insult Robinson for what happened to him against Joey Maxim.



Robinson was one of the toughest boxers who ever lived. This is unquestionable. It's as if you have never seen the man fight.

This is a fighter who continued on until his mid 40's against top competition and was not stopped but once due to heat exhaustion.



As I said, you posted several days after my initial response which is why I missed your post. Anyway, it doesn't seem like there's anything worth responding for which everyone can see for themselves.

No factual response when I brought up facts about Ray Robinson's fight against Maxim.

Agreeing that the Walcott knockdown was legit and trying to act like you were just joking.

Saying I quit in an argument you, when I didn't.

Putting down great fighters by calling them clowns, bums, bumbeaters, gays, chickens and flinging personal insults directed at me left and right, the usual stuff from you to which I've responded more than enough times.

You should have brought up Ali QUITTING. Because that is what it was about. I said Robinson quit, and Ali didn't. I didn't say Robinson had thoughts of quitting, daring anyone to come up with a case of Ali THINKING of quitting as well. You couldn't provide an example. So you FAILED there mate.

And Ali-Holmes is not comparable at all. First of all, here you have a man that was old and so washed up it was a wonder he could still survive a single round. And most importantly, here is a man suffering from PARKINSONS. And here is a man that was not able to win a single round and his corner forced the fight to stop.

Now with Salty GAY Robinson, here is a man still capable of fighting the best, here is a man that was healthy and not suffering from a disease, here is a man that wasn't washed up and took as many beatings as Ali, here is a man actually AHEAD in the fooking fight.

Just face it. Your lad ran out of gas, because that BEAST Maxim took everything he had to offer, shrugged it off and was going in for the kill. Robinson, being a man that could dish it out, but not receive it like a true coward. So he quit on his stool. He was not a warrior like the people who have gotten hurt in the ring. He was scared because he had nothing left. He quit. Deal with it mr excuses.

You know what pisses me off most about this? That nobody talks about Maxim's heart and animal like durability. It's all about poor salty gay, poor poor soul etc. That truly shows how much bias this lad has in his favor, don;t you agree?

Now, some more excuses there. In that thread, we were responding to each other in no order. You'd leave for a few days and respond, and the same with me. You simply couldn't take the abuse no more and QUIT, like a coward. Like your idol. Well done mate.

[hayZ]

THE G.O.A.T

[TheGreatA]

You should have brought up Ali QUITTING. Because that is what it was about. I said Robinson quit, and Ali didn't. I didn't say Robinson had thoughts of quitting, daring anyone to come up with a case of Ali THINKING of quitting as well. You couldn't provide an example. So you FAILED there mate.

You were arguing with ***** who said that Ali was thinking of quitting against Frazier in the Thrilla in Manila.

I brought up Ali-Liston I in which Ali did think of quitting.

I never said he actually quit but in my view neither did Robinson. I've already explained why.

And Ali-Holmes is not comparable at all. First of all, here you have a man that was old and so washed up it was a wonder he could still survive a single round. And most importantly, here is a man suffering from PARKINSONS. And here is a man that was not able to win a single round and his corner forced the fight to stop.

Now with Salty GAY Robinson, here is a man still capable of fighting the best, here is a man that was healthy and not suffering from a disease, here is a man that wasn't washed up and took as many beatings as Ali, here is a man actually AHEAD in the fooking fight.

I compared the situations because both men would have put themselves at risk by continuing, thankfully they didn't. It was obvious by the 10th, 11th and 12th rounds already that Robinson was drained, yet he kept fighting while staggering around the ring. Fought until the end, until he had nothing left.

Just face it. Your lad ran out of gas, because that BEAST Maxim took everything he had to offer, shrugged it off and was going in for the kill. Robinson, being a man that could dish it out, but not receive it like a true coward. So he quit on his stool. He was not a warrior like the people who have gotten hurt in the ring. He was scared because he had nothing left. He quit. Deal with it mr excuses.

Maxim didn't fight any differently in round 1 than he did in round 13. He was flicking out the jab and clinching, which is what he always does. What can't be taken away from Maxim is that he was very smart and very patient but he was not a man who would come after you and try to knock you out.

If you actually watched the fight and knew their styles you would know.

You know what pisses me off most about this? That nobody talks about Maxim's heart and animal like durability. It's all about poor salty gay, poor poor soul etc. That truly shows how much bias this lad has in his favor, don;t you agree?

Except I have always admired the man's durability. It's mostly because of his fights against Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott though, he could absorb a trendemous punch and had the heart and will to always go the distance.

Of course Robinson's effort vs Maxim is brought up, because he was challenging for a light heavyweight title, going up in weight to a 4th weight class (unheard of at the time aside from Armstrong) when there were only 8 weight classes around, and was winning the fight for 13 rounds.

Can you imagine for example Floyd Mayweather, who started at around 130 lbs (as Robinson did), going up to LHW to challenge the champion and being ahead on the scorecards until about the 10th or 11th round until collapsing from heat exhaustion?

You should put it in proper perspective, instead of just trying to degrade a great fighter in every way you can to anger a couple of people you don't know on a boxing forum.

[Slimey Limey]

THE G.O.A.T

This might be the only Ali fan left around these forums. They used to be the majority in 2005-2007.
Now they're replaced by these Salty Louis and SGR fans because they are so threathened by Ali, because the lad should be ranked higher than those overrated wankers.

[right_hand_lead]

Probably the most beautiful display of boxing in history.

I don't want to hear about Williams' physical problems either...would it have been any different if he was healthy...or if it was folley, patterson, etc?

[princemanspoper]

What people forget about the holmes/ali bout is that Ali's doctor prescribed pills for a wrongly diagnosed thyroid condition.That played a part in him looking as bad as he did.That and a ruthless Larry Holmes letting out years of anger and frustration on his former mentor

Probably the most beautiful display of boxing in history.

I don't want to hear about Williams' physical problems either...would it have been any different if he was healthy...or if it was folley, patterson, etc?

Difficult to say.However Williams condition is not exagerrated.The guy literally was shot

Now they're replaced by these Salty Louis and SGR fans because they are so threathened by Ali, because the lad should be ranked higher than those overrated wankers.

I agree somewhat with this statement.Joe louis and ray robinson fans tend to be very insecure over the subject of muhammad ali and his legacy when compared to those particular two boxers

[StarshipTrooper]

Angelo will also be the first to tell you that a young Cassius Clay wanted to quit after the fourth round against Liston but he convinced Ali to continue and try to survive the round.

I bet if Robinson was retired in his corner like Ali was against Holmes you'd be calling him a quitter too due to your bias, but Robinson fought in his mid 40's while a shadow of what he used to be and was never stopped.

I proved to you what his condition was against Maxim (doctors, boxing experts, ringside viewers, former fighters and officials all agreed that he was in no condition to fight on) but I see my arguments have fallen into deaf ears.

It falls on deaf ears my friend: Never try to confuse a troll with facts when they're hatred can come up with SO much better stuff to post (intelligent poster refer to it as "drivel". Honestly, I gave up with that loser a while back now and I bin him with the other worthless trolls that slink into here from NSB.

PS. He also claims Louis "quit" against Schmeling when anybody who's ever seen that fight know Joe was down and out and his corner (or the ref) rightly waved the fight off.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

For the record, when a fighter's corner stops the fight it is NOT the same as a fighter "quitting". A fighter's trainer has the last word on the subject: If he says the fight is over than it's over regardless of what the fighter wants. That's what he's paid for: To look after his fighter's well being when a fighter is too caught up in the heat of battle to know what's good for him.

Poet