Who's prime is more overrated ?

[vandiar]

Heavyweight was what I was referring to. I have every Tyson fight except for the Sims fight and I've watched them all multiple times and no at NO time did I think he could be the best ever. He may have been entertaining but the last time I checked the "entertainment factor" isn't a component of greatness as a fighter. People are too easily swayed by emotional reactions based on how well they're being entertained.

Poet

It wasn't his excitement factor that swayed me into saying that. It was his incredible head movement, power in both hands, speed of his punches, his ability to go to the body with vicious combinations. That is what I am getting at. Mike in his prime was about as close to being perfect as I have ever seen in a heavyweight fighter.

[Poet682006]

It isn't his excitement factor that swayed me into saying that. It was his incredible head movement, power in both hands, speed of his punches, his ability to go to the body with vicious combinations. That is what I am getting at.

His head movement never impressed me any more than say Joe Frazier's did and Mike was NEVER a consistant body-puncher like Frazier was. As for his power and hand speed it wasn't anything that Louis didn't have.

Mike in his prime was about as close to being perfect as I have ever seen in a heavyweight fighter.

Then you need to see more Heavyweight fighters.

Poet

[Dynamite Kid]

people should have their own clear head on their shoulders and not let everybody else's opinion effect their thinking. This guy Poet comes on this site to let off steam and it seems to me he's got a lot of issues.

what Mike did ultimately reflects on him and his actions, he lost the title he went to prison, he lost the money, nobody did that for him. A lot of the scum he was associated with might have influenced him into some things, but it's on him.

as far as his competiton goes, they guy is a top 10 all time great heavyweight. for any average guy who sits behind the TV screen with their belly full of beer and has never taken a slap to their face, it's easy for them to call another guy a bum.

they guy is a top 10 all time great heavyweight

Yeah right!!!!

[vandiar]

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It isn't his excitement factor that swayed me into saying that. It was his incredible head movement, power in both hands, speed of his punches, his ability to go to the body with vicious combinations. That is what I am getting at.[/COLOR]

His head movement never impressed me any more than say Joe Frazier's did and Mike was NEVER a consistant body-puncher like Frazier was. As for his power and hand speed it wasn't anything that Louis didn't have.



Then you need to see more Heavyweight fighters.

Poet

Right Frazier had great head movement and good body punching, Joe had good hand speed and power (Mike was bigger, stronger, and faster than Louis ), but Mike had the best of BOTH worlds! That is what i am saying. And I have watched many heavyweight fights.

[Poet682006]

Mike was bigger, stronger, and faster than Louis

Let me guess: You're one of those posters who can't get past size?

Tyson gets embarrassed by Ali; crushed by Foreman, Liston, and Louis; has already been beaten convincingly by Holyfield; gets decisioned by a PRIME Holmes (not the past it Holmes who hadn't fought in two years); and is even money with Frazier, Dempsey, and Marciano. Who the hell is he going to be favored over? No one in the top-10.

Poet

[Boogie Nights]

they guy is a top 10 all time great heavyweight

Yeah right!!!!

dont give me that 'wtf' bs. if you wanna debate, go ahead, but dont post these childish remarks.

thomas, tucker, ruddock, tubbs, holmes, spinks, bruno, williams, are all solid wins. any fighter's resume can be picked apart, even Alis. if you pick on any little thing just for the benefit of proving your point, there's no need to do rankings in the first place.

prime tyson, exceptional speed, best combination punching since Joe Louis, one punch take out power, good head movement, quick on his toes. all these factors cant be ignored.

you really wanna tell me that guys who are rated above him, like foreman, louis, marciano, dempsey, you wanna tell me that he wouldnt go through their resumes undefeated?

[Dynamite Kid]

dont give me that 'wtf' bs. if you wanna debate, go ahead, but dont post these childish remarks.

thomas, tucker, ruddock, tubbs, holmes, spinks, bruno, williams, are all solid wins. any fighter's resume can be picked apart, even Alis. if you pick on any little thing just for the benefit of proving your point, there's no need to do rankings in the first place.

prime tyson, exceptional speed, best combination punching since Joe Louis, one punch take out power, good head movement, quick on his toes. all these factors cant be ignored.

you really wanna tell me that guys who are rated above him, like foreman, louis, marciano, dempsey, you wanna tell me that he wouldnt go through their resumes undefeated?

Why would i want to debate with a Tyson fan when all you ever get is excuses after excuse ? there is a reason why so many people dont have in their top 10.

He got waxed by Douglas and lost to Holyfield and his best win came against blown up LHW.



Could of did not = not an ATG.

[Boogie Nights]

Let me guess: You're one of those posters who can't get past size?

Tyson gets embarrassed by Ali; crushed by Foreman, Liston, and Louis; has already been beaten convincingly by Holyfield; gets decisioned by a PRIME Holmes (not the past it Holmes who hadn't fought in two years); and is even money with Frazier, Dempsey, and Marciano. Who the hell is he going to be favored over? No one in the top-10.

Poet

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[Boogie Nights]

Why would i want to debate with a Tyson fan when all you ever get is excuses after excuse ? there is a reason why so many people dont have in their top 10.

He got waxed by Douglas and lost to Holyfield and his best win came against blown up LHW.



Could of did not = not an ATG.

what excuses did i come up with?

ah, forget it, all the same, im outta here, do me a favor and add me to your ignore

[Dynamite Kid]

what excuses did i come up with?

ah, forget it, all the same, im outta here, do me a favor and add me to your ignore

I think its best because i dont have the energy to go through another!! Tyson debate.

I wont put you on ignore though.