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1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.
2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.
3) **** Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.
4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.
5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.
6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.
7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.
8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.
9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet **** Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.
1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.
2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.
3) **** Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.
4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.
5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.
6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.
7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.
8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.
9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet **** Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.
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