George Foreman dodging Jerry Quarry?

[1SILVA]

I was reading up on Jerry Quarry today, and came across this article.

http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Jerry_Quarry/

At one point it reads: "George Foreman refused to give Quarry a title shot, and said in later years he purposely dodged Quarry." Has anyone else heard anything like this before? I'm not exactly sure why Foreman would doge Quarry. Jerry Quarry was a good fighter, but I'm pretty sure Foreman could have taken him.

Quarry would not have lasted more than 3 rounds against Foreman, period. Squash the bs about Foreman ducking him. Only way Quarry beats Foreman is if Foreman gets shot during the fight by an assassin from the balcony. Even then, it is only 50/50

[mickey malone]

Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras..

[boxingbuff]

Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras..

I hope your not going by there "sparring" sessions?

A young 19 year old with 4 pro fights sparred circles around the Heavyweight Champion of the world back in the early 1960's.

The Champion's camp ended up throwing this 19 year old with 4 pro fights out of there camp because he made the Champion look silly.

There are many other Champions who got showed up in "sparring" but in a real fight would/did destroy the sparring partner.

So I hope your not going by there "sparring" sessions?

[billionaire]

Other than Frazier and Ali, the toughest challenger at the moment may be Lyle, whom Frazier describes as being "poured out of concrete." Lyle is said to be the kind of fighter a champion would be wise to avoid. Foreman's handlers avoided Ellis, Quarry, Bonavena. Ali and others on the way to Jamaica. Among fighters of middling stature. Foreman fought only Gregorio Peralta and George Chuvalo.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...82/2/index.htm

[sonnyboyx2]

He lost the first fight to Ali on cuts, but the second fight got stopped because he was being dominated, the final punch was a left hook that had him stumbled.

Relax im not saying he had a poor chin, he might of had a granite chin i dont know because i dont know much about him outside of his fights with Frazier/Ali.

Like him or not ? i got nothing against the guy so WTF.

ok but you need to spend a bit of time watching Quarry fights other than his fights with Ali & Frazier.. try watching his fights with Patterson 1 & 2, Lyle, Shavers, Alexander, Miteff, Foster & Spencer, the Frazier (1) fight was brilliant and that version of Joe Frazier was a "Brutal fighting-machine" whom any fighter in history would be lucky to survive the distance with

[sonnyboyx2]

[QUOTE=mickey malone;5834715]Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras.. [/QUOT
i agree.... Quarry`s boxing skills, counter-punching and chin are everything Foreman does not want in an opponent, i just cannot see Foreman win this match-up, IMO it goes just like Lyle v Quarry...the last 4rds Quarry would be all over Foreman and i dont think George would make it to the final bell..

[johnmaff36]

I loved to watch Quarry but lets face it, Foreman was bein gracious and showing jerry respect, and rightly so.

[observer22]

Foreman n Quarry

Hi,

1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.

2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.

3) **** Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.

4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.

5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.

6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.

7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.

8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.

9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet **** Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.

[Jim Jeffries]

I think George was vulnerable to slick, evasive boxers like Ali and Young. Can't really see how he'd have had any problems with the smaller, less powerful Quarry. Was always curious why Frazier didn't face Norton though.

[sonnyboyx2]

I think George was vulnerable to slick, evasive boxers like Ali and Young. Can't really see how he'd have had any problems with the smaller, less powerful Quarry. Was always curious why Frazier didn't face Norton though.

Norton was a sparring partner for Frazier in the early 70s and Eddie Futch knew that Norton would be no more than `dog-meat` for Frazier...Norton v Frazier was a fight never mooted as was Holmes v Foreman