Are any of you boxing historians MMA Fans?

[prinzemanspopa]

At least MMA fighters that make it to one of the top organizations fight the best out there, unlike boxers who avoid certain opponents. Has Fedor every ducked anybody? Anderson Silva? Nope, yet one of boxing's biggest stars, Floyd Mayweather is avoiding Manny Pacquaio like the plague. Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't fight Marvin Hagler until Hagler was ready to retire. The Gracies issued an open challenge for decades to prove the effectiveness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and their toughness.

You mean the same Fedor Emelianenko who virtually everybody within that 'sport' was calling to 'fight' Randy Couture? The same Fedor Emelianenko who everybody wanted to 'fight' in the biggest bout that could have been made in that 'sport' against Brock Lesnar? Gee,that's two 'fights' that had a great deal of interest behind it but never did take place.


How is that two men,who both have the desire to 'fight' one another can be prevented from doing so? Both Couture and Emelinaneko expressed great interest in 'fighting' one another,and it was a 'fight' that Randy Couture even quit,as a 'world champion',his own promotion over.



Wasn't Chuck Liddell - Wanderlei Silva billed as being 'Six years in the making'? Why should it have taken six years for two men who for several years,reigned on top in the same division and were certainly never inactive or retired with a partially detatched retina.Why should it have taken back-to-back losses between the two for this supposed 'dream match' to finally take place?

And if it's definitely all the chin then it shouldn't matter what kind of gloves are used in boxing, should it, because it should be just as easy to score a knockout with one type of glove rather than another. If gloves aren't an issue, it shouldn't have mattered which gloves Manny Pacquiao used in the first Erik Morales fight. But it did matter, because Manny wanted the gloves he normally uses, which have less padding, making it more likely to score a knockout, which Pacquaio did in the second and third fights with Morales.

Slightly less padding in one area isn't going to affect the overall impact of a low.Different boxers have have their own preferences concerning what gloves they feel most comfortable in.Pacquiao had never never wore these gloves in the past,while Morales had spent several years fighting in them.Pacquiao had a hell of a lot more problems than his gloves to worry about when he was using his face to block Morales's punches.

MMA gloves are smaller and have less padding than boxing gloves, which is also a contributing factor to there being more knockouts. If you still think they have weak chins, try watching Tim Sylvia vs. Wesley Correira sometime, Don Frye vs. Yoshihiro Takayama or Chuck Lidell va. Wanderlei Silva and watch the bombs those guys land on each other.

Is this the same Correira that got knocked silly from one punch within the first 92 seconds? What a great example of a 'chin' you have there


These quick early knockout's were no different in Pride,which used 6oz gloves - which is just two ounces less than the gloves used by boxers under the middleweight(160) division.

[bonanno]

Fedor >>>> all MMA

[$Bullsfam$]

Love it. I enjoy all aspects of fighting. Or I take that back, at least respect it. Because in MMA some wrestlers just like to lay on you.

But I love watching Big Nog fights where he's getting the ***** beat out of him and then last second pulls out a beautiful submission. All of his fights are straight out of a rocky movie! I LOVE SLAMS! Rampage Jackson is my favorite fighter and I love watching somebody pick someone up and just throw em straight down!

I love boxing but it's harder to stay on top in MMA because their are so many ways to lose. I respect both and both have some of the best athletes in the world.

[Anthony342]

Fedor didn't fight those guys because he couldn't come to a contract agreement with Dana White. If Fedor ever made it to the UFC or if Couture or Lesnar were ever in the same organization as Fedor, he would've fought them. So you're saying if Fedor was in the UFC, he would've deliberately avoided fighting Couture or Lesnar? And Wanderlei spent years in Pride before he got back to the UFC, that's why it took him so long to fight Lidell. But now you're probably thinking, well Lidell could've went over to Pride and fougtht Wanderlei like when he fought Rampage. Dana wasn't about to let that happen after the first loss to Rampage so they had to wait until Silva signed with the UFC. These guys didn't deliberately avoid fighting each other, as some boxers are known to do.

Less padding will affect the impact of a punch. If it didn't, big knockout punchers could use the softest gloves out there and still knock out opponents just as quickly, but they don't and can't.

Yeah Correira was hurt but he took a lot of hard shots before his corner stopped the fight. You make it sound like almost every MMA fight ends with the slightest tap on the chin and one guy is out cold and that's just not the case. There are plenty of MMA fights where guys get hit with hard shots and it takes a lot to knock them out or sometimes they're still standing at the end. Case in point: Griffin vs. Bonnar 1. But there are more knockouts because MMA fighters more often try to win by knockout, because they'll get bonuses for Fight of the Night or KO of the Night and if they win too many decisions, they might not get their contract renewed. These are other factors in there being more knockouts, but I know, in your eyes, it's just because they all have weak chins. If their chins are so weak, UFC 118 wouldn't have ended with no knockouts. The slightest glancing punches or one solid punch in most fights would cause a knockout.

Why don't you guys just say you don't like it and aren't a fan instead of ****ting on mixed martial arts and making bull**** claims? It's not human ****fighting, it's not a fad and they don't all have weak chins. Some of the fighters do, just as some of them do in boxing. So then, if most of the fights in boxing ended in knockouts, then by that logic, most of the boxers out there would then have weak chins as well.