Are any of you boxing historians MMA Fans?

[Hamhawk]

they act like MMA fighters are the best Athletes in the world, yet they show up fat and out of shape. Their champions are from the wwe and they only have 4 fights under their belt.
Ever heard of a guy named Leon Spinks?Yea James Toney looked like he was in great shape!You guys obviously don't watch mma and know nothing about it,yet say the same tired bs you been saying about it for 10 years now!

[BennyST]

But Lesnar was an accomplished amateur wrestler, winning the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship. he nearly made the Olympics aswell. he didnt just com from the wwe. wrestling is a major part in mma. he wasnt just a ''wwe'' wrestler.

anthony mundine come from a ruby background, and turned to boxing and after only 3 years in the sport was wba world champion. so thats like saying ruby player's can come to boxing and win a world title.

Well, actually, no.....Mundine grew up with one of the great MW's of the sixties and seventies and learned first hand (like Mayweather) from a brilliant tactician from the time he was able to walk.

He had always been boxing, but moved into rugby. Bigger sport than boxing at the time but must have decided to pursue his first love.

[mrboxer]

been meaning to ask this for a while, do any of you guys on the history sesction love mma or are a fan of the sport out of interest?

discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am not a fan of mma,it is a boring sport that does not even come close to boxing in terms of talent of action

[frankenfrank]

When someone like James Toney forfeits , it is a great proof of the effectiveness of its technique , fact.
James at least had the balls to try and fight there , just imagine what would have happened to the top stars of boxing .

[Bright-Eyes]

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James at least had the balls to try and fight there.

Not really.Toney wasn't there to test himself for represent his sport in anyway.He signed up to this mismatch because it was the only way he could remain relevant and earn the type of money that he did.


Not that he ever lacked them to begin with,but an act of desperation isn't a ballsy move at all

[Forza]

It's a lame fad that will be gone in a few years.

I do respect some of their fighters, and grappling is a good way to defend against a striker. But that's about all I can say good about it.

Their fanbase is by far the worst, mostly because it's filled with WWE crossovers and high school kids. I still can't believe people pay $50 every month to watch that crap, especially in this economy.

[Anthony342]

I don't really care, I just wanted to attempt to enlighten some of you or at least reduce your intense dislike for no reason.

But w/e I like most Combat Sports and would be willing to give most a try.

Well it's a nice attempt, but unfortunately your attempts have fallen on deaf ears because, like many boxing fans out there, many of the ones here spew the same uninformed ignorant crap like "it's just a passing fad" or call it "human ****fighting" even though they don't fight to the death. I agree with you and enjoy combat sports like boxing, mixed martial arts, even freestyle wrestling in the summer olympics.

So it's a fad. No, fads last a few months, maybe a year tops. The UFC has been around for 17 years now, that's the opposite of a fad. And Pancrase and Shooto have been around since the '80s. The Gracies fought Vale Tudo matches, where anything goes style wise since the 1920s and Pankration competitions go all the way back to ancient Greece. Hardly a fad.

You know, it's fine if you guys don't like the sport of mixed martial arts and aren't fans of it, but geez, at least do some research and have an informed opinion, you know, like you often tell many others who post here with uninformed opinions about boxing and its history. A lot of people thought the same thing about boxing in its early days, that it was human ****fighting, organized violence, legalized assault and competitions shouldn't be allowed or sanctioned. At least when an MMA fighter only has to win one title belt to be considered the champion, unlike all the different corrupt governing bodies in boxing where there's 5 major belts now in every weight class.

So you like watching fighting, but only if fighters use their fists, not kicks, knees, elbows, or submissions? Well, that's fine if you do, but those are all still parts of fighting and in a real fight, sometimes a guy isn't just going to use punches, that's why MMA was started in the first place, to see what techniques could work best when any style or fighting was allowed.

But I guess since I like watching the sport, I'll now be called gay and someone will probably say I like watching men roll around on the ground and I must be some kind of white trash meathead because I enjoy MMA just as much as I enjoy watching boxing (even though I'm a college graduate). If you really want to go with the gay angle, what about when boxers are in the clinch and are leaning against each other? Couldn't that also then be considered **********? So I guess then, by that logic, that boxing fans must enjoy watching men hugging each other and breathing heavy against each others sweaty bodies? You see how easy that is to do? So let's just agree to disagree and say that both sports have their fans, some, like myself, enjoy watching both and respect their skill. And if you think MMA fighters don't have any skill, then try training in freestyle wrestling, brazilian jiu jitsu or judo sometime and see how easy it is for you to learn.

And of course MMA fighters aren't as good at boxing as boxers. Boxing is only a small portion of their training, plus a traditional boxing stance leaves an MMA fighter wide open for a takedown. And just because it has more knockouts that in boxing doesn't mean they're all glass jawed. The smaller gloves also have something to do with that. Again, it's fine if you don't like MMA, just try and come up with an informed opinion based on what you've seen for yourself, not just on what others have told you or after watching a few seconds of one fight or only one full fight.

[Anthony342]

It's always the same. MMA fans think boxing is dead and MMA will take it over and boxing fans think MMA is just a passing fad and will die out within a few years, which people have been saying for many years now. They're both wrong. MMA is here to stay and will continue to grow and change. There's no telling if it'll ever be as big as boxing. Boxing isn't going anywhere either because for all of it's corruption and bull**** with jerking around the fans, like what's happening with Mayweather/Pacquiao, or like when fans had to wait years to see Leonard fight Hagler and having too many title belts, there will always be great talented boxers to keep the hardcore fans coming back (Miguel Cotto, Andre Ward, Yuriorkis Gamboa).

[prinzemanspopa]

At least when an MMA fighter only has to win one title belt to be considered the champion, unlike all the different corrupt governing bodies in boxing where there's 5 major belts now in every weight class.

Yeah,because it's not like there are several different MMGAY orgs that declare their title holders 'world champions',are there?

If you really want to go with the gay angle, what about when boxers are in the clinch and are leaning against each other? Couldn't that also then be considered **********?

Clinching is generally discouraged in boxing,that's why you will see the referee immediately break it up.


In boxing,you don't score points for rubbing yourself up against another man like in MMGAY.No such thing as grappling for dominant position in boxing.

And of course MMA fighters aren't as good at boxing as boxers. Boxing is only a small portion of their training, plus a traditional boxing stance leaves an MMA fighter wide open for a takedown.

Nobody is saying they should have the skills to level a world class boxer.The reason people mock the boxing skills of these 'fighters' is because they're supposed to be professional fighters and yet they have the punching technique of bar room brawlers.You can watch greater skill level at some local toughman contest.

And just because it has more knockouts that in boxing doesn't mean they're all glass jawed. The smaller gloves also have something to do with that.

No,it's definately all in the chin(or lack of concerning MMGAY fighters).They simply can't take a punch,which is why early knockouts are generally the norm in that 'sport'.

[Anthony342]

At least MMA fighters that make it to one of the top organizations fight the best out there, unlike boxers who avoid certain opponents. Has Fedor every ducked anybody? Anderson Silva? Nope, yet one of boxing's biggest stars, Floyd Mayweather is avoiding Manny Pacquaio like the plague. Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't fight Marvin Hagler until Hagler was ready to retire. The Gracies issued an open challenge for decades to prove the effectiveness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and their toughness.

And my point was if MMA is gay because guys lay on each other, than so is boxing, because they rub up against each other on the feet, so I just used your own idiotic logic against you and anyone else who makes that bull**** claim. And even though clinching is generally discouraged, you sometimes see boxers stay in the clinch and throw punches, so by that logic, you as a boxing fan must enjoy watching sweaty men rub up against each other.

And if it's definitely all the chin then it shouldn't matter what kind of gloves are used in boxing, should it, because it should be just as easy to score a knockout with one type of glove rather than another. If gloves aren't an issue, it shouldn't have mattered which gloves Manny Pacquiao used in the first Erik Morales fight. But it did matter, because Manny wanted the gloves he normally uses, which have less padding, making it more likely to score a knockout, which Pacquaio did in the second and third fights with Morales. MMA gloves are smaller and have less padding than boxing gloves, which is also a contributing factor to there being more knockouts. If you still think they have weak chins, try watching Tim Sylvia vs. Wesley Correira sometime, Don Frye vs. Yoshihiro Takayama or Chuck Lidell va. Wanderlei Silva and watch the bombs those guys land on each other.

But I know, it's "MMGAY" right? Well, aren't you clever.