Sonny Liston vs Joe Louis

[princemanspoper]

Long as you guys picking Liston realize that he wasn't at his peak for the Ali fights, I'm cool with it. Otherwise...you may be some serious Ali huggers.

And how would his fights with ali work to liston's advantage when trying to make an argument(there should be no debate here)for liston in this dream match?

yes you are a alt FACT

proof?

[Gettin Jiggy]

And how would his fights with ali work to liston's advantage when trying to make an argument(there should be no debate here)for liston in this dream match?



proof?

because you are that obvious

[fight_professor]

Sonny Liston had a great chin,better than Joe Louis.This is important.

Louis would be in a surprize when Liston would out jab him with his long reach.Liston's jab is also harder than the brown bomber's.Liston also had about 15-20 pounds on Louis.

Louis's punches were faster than Liston's,and his great combination punching.But Sonny had more power in both hands.

I believe Liston's ability to take Joe's punches,and establish the jab are the most important factor's of the fight.

I see Liston stopping Louis in between 6-10 rounds.

That's how I see it.

Liston was superb. Beautiful jab, huge reach (80+), power, solid chin. Louis was slow as, I've seen lots of his fights. Power and control relies of reaching/landing. Joe eats jabs, gets his chin shook up and then gets KO'd.

[Sugarj]

Yea that was a good analysis from Boxingbuff.

But Captain Sam, Louis wasn't slow until the very late 40s. His foot speed was nothing to write home about (he was called 'shuffling Joe') but his fists were very quick and his combinations were lightning fast. Check out some fights from the late 30s.

[them_apples]

I sincerely hope this is some kind of a sick joke? Contrary to what old Malone would have you believe based from his viewing of ali-liston 2(pretty much the only liston fight he has watched) liston could take a punch

could the same be said for Joe louis?


Liston via first jab thrown

yea Liston had a really tough chin I don't know how Ali got to it so bad. Probably just the speed.

[TheGreatA]

I don't think there's much of a size difference at all. Liston was slightly heavier at his peak, Louis was slightly taller. Liston of course had the longer reach.

The fastest of Liston I've seen was when he smashed the durable Wayne Bethea in one round. He weighed 204 lbs in that fight and around 26-29 years of age.

I think Liston's best showings were against Cleveland Williams. He was around 212 lbs.

Louis was at his fastest when he fought Max Baer, at 21 years of age and 198 lbs.

Perhaps the best version of Louis I saw was the one who fought Abe Simon and Buddy Baer in rematches, he was 28 years old and weighed 208 lbs.

I think Louis was much quicker with his hands, put together better combinations, counter punched well (unlike Liston who rarely did) and never got tired or frustrated even if a fight wasn't going his way.

Liston is not the lumbering slugger that he is made out to be. He was a solid technical boxer who rarely pressed the fight. He was content on using the jab and looking for opportunities to land his power punches. Liston is often criticized for being slow, which is somewhat true, but he did have decent footwork and handspeed at his best.

[Gettin Jiggy]

I don't think there's much of a size difference at all. Liston was slightly heavier at his peak, Louis was slightly taller. Liston of course had the longer reach.

The fastest of Liston I've seen was when he smashed the durable Wayne Bethea in one round. He weighed 204 lbs in that fight and around 26-29 years of age.

I think Liston's best showings were against Cleveland Williams. He was around 212 lbs.

Louis was at his fastest when he fought Max Baer, at 21 years of age and 198 lbs.

Perhaps the best version of Louis I saw was the one who fought Abe Simon and Buddy Baer in rematches, he was 28 years old and weighed 208 lbs.

I think Louis was much quicker with his hands, put together better combinations, counter punched well (unlike Liston who rarely did) and never got tired or frustrated even if a fight wasn't going his way.

Liston is not the lumbering slugger that he is made out to be. He was a solid technical boxer who rarely pressed the fight. He was content on using the jab and looking for opportunities to land his power punches. Liston is often criticized for being slow, which is somewhat true, but he did have decent footwork and handspeed at his best.

so who do you pick?

[Southpaw Stinger]

How does this fight go? Could Liston walk though Louis? Or could Louis ko Liston?

discuss

With Liston's reach, he wouldn't have to walk through Louis. It would be up to Louis to get inside.

[fight_professor]

Yea that was a good analysis from Boxingbuff.

But Captain Sam, Louis wasn't slow until the very late 40s. His foot speed was nothing to write home about (he was called 'shuffling Joe') but his fists were very quick and his combinations were lightning fast. Check out some fights from the late 30s.

I was refering to footspeed. Hand speed is important once you can get into position to land/use those hands effectively. His footspeed was poor. No 2 ways about that.

Plodding forward. May have worked against some of those guys, but against a man of Liston's class, its lights out.

[0Rooster4Life0]

Louis didnt have a BAD chin, He didnt have a Great chin by all means, But it was a decent chin, Somone with a Bad chin goes down and stays down, Louis Gets up.

Sonny had a Great jad on him, But So did Joe, Although the Reach goes to Sonny.

No doubt Sonny had a Great chin, I do not like to comment on the ali fights because there is a dark cloud over them. Only Ali and Leotis Martin KOed Liston, and anyone who has seen the Leotis Martin V Liston fight could only take there hat off to Sonny, He took some Huge Shots, His Jaw was Broken with blood running out of his mouth, and it took Martin 9 rounds to stop Sonny with some HUGE bombs.


My Result.
I can see Joe picking Sonny apart with those short powerful shots to the head Much like he did to Max Baer. Joe Louis By KO Round 6



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