Muhammed Ali And Joe Louis: Who's The Greatest Heavyweight?

[mickey malone]

Why do you even mention Louis KO'd alot more fighters than Ali did?

Liston,Frazier,and Forman KO'd alot more fighters than Ali did also....But Ali beat all three and stopped all three.

BTW-To answer my own question....Post war Louis would have been KO'd by Forman and Frazier.He would have had trouble against Shavers and Norton.

So your argument that Ali AFTER his 3 1/2 year lay-off having trouble with Frazier,Norton and Shavers hold no water.Because Louis would have had trouble against Forman,Frazier,Norton and Shavers too.But ALOT worse trouble than Ali did against them.

Prime vs prime Ali beats Louis by UD-10-5

What I'm saying, is that Joe Louis had a much better 2 fisted KO ratio than Ali, & I see this as the deciding factor as to who goes on my list at 1&2 respectively, but I'm quite happy to argue the toss along the way..

[Spartacus Sully]

I consider a fighter's prime to be where they showed best form. In Ali's case this was 66/67. Ali was clearly post prime when he fought Frazier, Norton and definitely Shavers.

66/67 ali vs 71/72/73/74 ali?
66/67 was fast and good form.
71-74 better chin and more power.

perhaps your right.

[Sugarj]

I dont know if Ali's punch power got any better, his chin was always good.

[boxingbuff]

What I'm saying, is that Joe Louis had a much better 2 fisted KO ratio than Ali, & I see this as the deciding factor as to who goes on my list at 1&2 respectively, but I'm quite happy to argue the toss along the way..

Again....Forman,Liston,and Frazier had a much better KO ratio than Ali.

BUT,Ali beat all three....And stopped all three!

I'm talking about PRIME Forman,Frazier,and Liston.

BTW-Ali beat and stopped two(Forman and Frazier) after his 3 1/2 year lay-off.So Louis having a better KO ratio than Ali means nothing.

[GJC]

66/67 ali vs 71/72/73/74 ali?
66/67 was fast and good form.
71-74 better chin and more power.

perhaps your right.

Think the reason 71-74 had a better chin and more power was because he was more flat footed than the earlier version.

[Spartacus Sully]

I dont have any fights from 66 or 67 and i cant find any in the trading block like patterson terrell or chuvalo. I do have liston in 64 and jones in 63, and in both fights i think a 70 ali would have taken a the 63/64 ali and a pre lay off louis would of as well.

i agree with the flat footed ness and that he knew when to use it and when not to instead of just going flat footed when he got tired of hopping around the ring

[Sugarj]

The 70 Ali probably was as good as the 63 Ali. The 67 Ali was a different kettle of fish. I'm sure he hit every bit as hard against Williams and Folley in 66/67 as he did against Foreman and Frazier in 74, maybe even harder in the late 60s, his hand speed was faster!

And chins dont improve....Ali's was always solid.

[TheGreatA]

I dont have any fights from 66 or 67 and i cant find any in the trading block like patterson terrell or chuvalo. I do have liston in 64 and jones in 63, and in both fights i think a 70 ali would have taken a the 63/64 ali and a pre lay off louis would of as well.

i agree with the flat footed ness and that he knew when to use it and when not to instead of just going flat footed when he got tired of hopping around the ring

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[Sugarj]

Ylem is in for a treat. Some good stuff there!!! Watch Williams first.

[Spartacus Sully]

thanks for the videos, poet hooked me up with the videos like 10 mins after i made that post but ive been at work all day and i just now get the chance to download/watch them.

it very well may change my opinion