Ray Robinson Question

[Gettin Jiggy]

I wonder if Lena Horne herself ever talked about it? Her relationship with Louis I mean.

Robinson did try to make up for his wrongs during his later years with the Sugar Ray Robinson Youth Foundation. He acknowledged that he had neglected his wife and children and tried to prevent other people from doing it.

It's very ironic that he once won a "Father of the Year" award.

Robinson was also supposedly drugged by his wife according to his son but I would have to read more about this to make sure.



The sport of boxing has many great stories but the boxers themselves have rarely been perfect human beings.

No ray beat his first wife edner ray, who was a nice women. robinson would beat her, and he once broke a girfriends wrist. that is a very low thing to do.

no excuses for him

[TheGreatA]

No ray beat his first wife edner ray, who was a nice women. robinson would beat her, and he once broke a girfriends wrist. that is a very low thing to do.

no excuses for him

I'm not offering any excuses for him. I'm a bit surprised that people didn't know about this though, it was all in the popular HBO document "Bright Lights, Dark Shadows".

[Gettin Jiggy]

I'm not offering any excuses for him. I'm a bit surprised that people didn't know about this though, it was all in the popular HBO document "Bright Lights, Dark Shadows".

to be honest shocked about how many people dont know. on a personal level robinson was a pice of dog ****, but in the ring what a fighter.

[billionaire]

He didn't... The author(s) did... They wern't boxing people & wouldn't have give a ****.. It was easy to slander people back then.. It hasn't shown up in anything written by a qualified boxing historian though.. And when you consider the thousands of scripts about Joe Louis it beggars belief that people can believe this bollocks... Art & Nora (ball people, who are probably both dead) are the only people in the world ever to suggest this.. If Threadstealer or anyone else can find me more accurate info for one of the most famous sportsmen of all time, then I'll be gladly amazed & extremely grateful.. And there's a few more autobiographys on Louis, that's 4 sure....

Andrade (although good) has that Valuev look about him lol...

hey get it thru your ****in head....it has been confirmed from louis autobiography, look at jabs post #108 in the Who Is Boxings WORST Role Model?....if you wanna downplay it to one incident fine, but dont deny it anymore

Ok, the all elusive passage from "Joe Louis:My Life". It talks about her failing to live up to her commitment to to be one of the celebrity score keepers. This wasn't her refusing Joe in just some game, but a benefit for the U.S.O. that she had committed to in Joe's name. This refusal was to spite Joe because he had been in town a few months and only called her a few times. When Louis went to talk to her personally she wouldn't budge and said she "didn't give a damn" that she committed. Joe took of a gold bracelet Horne had given him and dropped it in her suitcase as he was leaving. Lene exploded in a rage cursing Louis like he'd never been cursed and he goes on to say, and this is verbatim "before I knew it it, I hit her with a left hook and knocked her on the bed. Then I jumped on her and started choking her. The thing, thank God, that saved her was that her aunt was in the apartment. Lena was screaming and her aunt ran in and tried to pull me off. When she said "if you don't stop, I'll call the police", that brought me straight to. I stopped".

This isn't a case of some serial women beater, but an isolated incident fueled by passion. Im not saying its right, but its hardly the way Sally Limey described it.

"Passion can mess you up; next day I couldn't show up for the tournament-My mind was ruined and my body felt to weak".

"I called Lena to apologize and she hung up on me. end of romance".

Does anybody think this sounds like the deranged person Sally has made Joe out to be, or maybe just a guy who lost it for a minute, did a bad thing, and was sincerly remorseful?

[billionaire]

To be fair I'd never heard about Joe Louis beating his wife, the tale certainly seemed out of character.

As for Ray Leonard, he did admit to having a ******* spell in the mid 80s after the detached retina forced a temporary retirement (before the Hagler comeback). He put it down to attending alot of celebrity parties and said 'everyone was doing it'. He kicked the habit! I never heard that he hit his wife though.

yea he beat his wife too during his 1st retirement, and did blow remember mainstream america loved him so he was hanging around business ceo ****suckers who put the kid onto that **** because they wanted to be his friend.....but he seemed to have improved his life when he came back to boxing....

[Gettin Jiggy]

hey get it thru your ****in head....it has been confirmed from louis autobiography, look at jabs post #108 in the Who Is Boxings WORST Role Model?....if you wanna downplay it to one incident fine, but dont deny it anymore

Micky Malone I think it is all confirmed about louis now dude. just admit your wrong.

[JAB5239]

hey get it thru your ****in head....it has been confirmed from louis autobiography, look at jabs post #108 in the Who Is Boxings WORST Role Model?....if you wanna downplay it to one incident fine, but dont deny it anymore

Im just curious, have you heard of any other incidents with Louis hitting women, or read about from other sources? If not, would you agree this appears to be an isolated incident?

[billionaire]

Im just curious, have you heard of any other incidents with Louis hitting women, or read about from other sources? If not, would you agree this appears to be an isolated incident?

no but if you saw his hbo film his family said he would leave for weeks at a time......

like i said i dont care, when i hear joe louis i think of a great fighter, but if you put him up on a pedastal as a person ill break him down....

[JAB5239]

no but if you saw his hbo film his family said he would leave for weeks at a time......

like i said i dont care, when i hear joe louis i think of a great fighter, but if you put him up on a pedastal as a person ill break him down....

Can this not also be done with almost any figure in history? And if that is the case ans you combine it with the reasons I've previously given,than Joe Louis is a good role model, certainly better than many people of the past and today who are looked up to, no?

[GJC]

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Can this not also be done with almost any figure in history? And if that is the case ans you combine it with the reasons I've previously given,than Joe Louis is a good role model, certainly better than many people of the past and today who are looked up to, no?

I made this point earlier, can't remember whether it was this thread or the "lets stick the boot into Joe Louis" thread.
If you want to look for feet of clay Martin Luther King JNR, Gandhi and Mother Theresa don't stand up to close scrutiny but the world is a better place for them having lived in it.
Whilst I do not condone their actions but we are talking about men who's trade was violence.