Computer Tournament - The Middleweights

[McGoorty]

I know about those fights...inspite of all those there were quotes liek "KO brown almost held Darcy" etc etc....You can trust me that if those were in America some newspaper would have given them decisions...

Thats why it becomes very hard to research.

I dont say its unfair for Mike to fight 20 rounders, but generally he performed beter in 10 rounds...The humbling that he gave Dillon is arguably one of teh best performnaces of all time...It was one of the few times when every paper unanimously choose a boxer over other..I repeat every paper..

Point is Mike would have probably fought 10 rounder and even if he did 20 rounder I think he will do well (atleast we have no evidence to the contary).

"Real Fight"
Do you mean to say others were fake fight?

I just want to mention the fight where Jeff SM**H, say he beat Darcy, mate everyone who was there saw Darcy bashing the tripe out of him, most say that Smith was holding on to Darcy just so he wouldn't go down.....then EVERYBODY saw Smith throw an incredibly obvious foul punch.......... Now Smith is claiming this after Darcy is dead ????...... Smith got the CRAP punched out of him................... Just about every body who was there could have told you............................. I can't believe that bastard Smith, could sink that low...... Smith says he would attack Darcy in the street..... No way. LIAR....... Why do you think he was told to get out of Australia,...... because, the guy was the dirtiest fighter I've ever read about..... forget Fritzie Zivic.... Smith may have taught Zivic... because Smith was the master...... and when Darcy, and Greb say you're dirty,..... well anyway..... since we've started this debate, I have come to almost despise Smith.... I think he was a skunk.

[Greatest1942]

I just want to mention the fight where Jeff SM**H, say he beat Darcy, mate everyone who was there saw Darcy bashing the tripe out of him, most say that Smith was holding on to Darcy just so he wouldn't go down.....then EVERYBODY saw Smith throw an incredibly obvious foul punch.......... Now Smith is claiming this after Darcy is dead ????...... Smith got the CRAP punched out of him................... Just about every body who was there could have told you............................. I can't believe that bastard Smith, could sink that low...... Smith says he would attack Darcy in the street..... No way. LIAR....... Why do you think he was told to get out of Australia,...... because, the guy was the dirtiest fighter I've ever read about..... forget Fritzie Zivic.... Smith may have taught Zivic... because Smith was the master...... and when Darcy, and Greb say you're dirty,..... well anyway..... since we've started this debate, I have come to almost despise Smith.... I think he was a skunk.

"Smith"

I will look into that guy...he does seem to be a kind of guy who does not admit defeat...I will check with others...But I actually was referrring to the Clabby and KO Brown fight...I will try to find reports of Smith and Darcy too.

And don't get angry about Smith I am sure no one can have everyones respect...

"Mike Gibbons punch"

Finally we agree on something...actually Mike was kind of outpoint your rival and leave it at that...but when he did want to punch it was good...Ahearns made some comments about Mike...we all know what happended next...

I have read in newspaper that after the 10 count Gibbons tried to lift the head of Ahearns, a work which he was relieved from by the seconds...the guy was KO'd cold.

Not to say his other KO's....but he generall played safe...


"McFarland fight"

I have researched into that more.
I think Gibbons and mcFarland both weighed below or at 147...

I had given one source (of them weighing over 150)...but after rechecking the NY times and a host of others I have found out the details...Yea Gibbons still had one pound may be.

Gibbons basically starved to make 147 and as such I believe lost some of his strength...but it was a very competitive fight.

[Greatest1942]

"Smith"

I will look into that guy...he does seem to be a kind of guy who does not admit defeat...I will check with others...But I actually was referrring to the Clabby and KO Brown fight...I will try to find reports of Smith and Darcy too.

And don't get angry about Smith I am sure no one can have everyones respect...

"Mike Gibbons punch"

Finally we agree on something...actually Mike was kind of outpoint your rival and leave it at that...but when he did want to punch it was good...Ahearns made some comments about Mike...we all know what happended next...

I have read in newspaper that after the 10 count Gibbons tried to lift the head of Ahearns, a work which he was relieved from by the seconds...the guy was KO'd cold.

Not to say his other KO's....but he generall played safe...


"McFarland fight"

I have researched into that more.
I think Gibbons and mcFarland both weighed below or at 147...

I had given one source (of them weighing over 150)...but after rechecking the NY times and a host of others I have found out the details...Yea Gibbons still had one pound may be.

Gibbons basically starved to make 147 and as such I believe lost some of his strength...but it was a very competitive fight.

"Darcy Smith"

I had read a few books, and as collecting newspaper artcles is my hobby I found this already with me:-

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JEFF. SMITH BEATS DARCY. UNSATISFACTORY CONTEST.
The meeting of Jeff Smith, middleweight worlds champion, and Les. Darcy, the Maitland lad, drew a dense crowd-estimated at 15,000-to Baker's Stadium on Saturday night. Smith weighed list 51b, and his opponent «lb less. Mr. Harald Baker was referee.
Darcy had slightly the better of the first round Feinting with his left, he twice crossed the right to the back of-Smith's neck, but there was an absence of power in the blows. In the second round Smith got home once with his right, but other efforts to repeat the blow were cleverly blocked by Darcj, whose evasion was excellent. Points were about equal.
The third round saw Darcy's left land on the face, but Smith retaliated with a right to the body. Darcy cleverly ducked several swlngs. Still Smith justly
claimed this round.
The American in the next round-and In some of the earlier ones-had imprisoned Darcy's left hand, and was holding and hitting. Only on one occasion did the referee step in and break Smith's hold. The latter scored with a right cross and two severe straight lefts. This round also belonged to Smith .
The fifth and last round was sensational. It was opened by Darcy hooking the left to the side face, and he followed with a right to the other side "The boxers then came to closer quarters, and Smith got home a body blow which caused Darcy to stop fighting and gave signs of being in pain. He walked to his corner-Smith standing off him. The referee promptly went up to Darcy and said "fight on." This Darcy did, and with remarkable vigour, too He fully held his own, and was apparcntlj aB strong at the finish of the round as when he started the contest.
When Darcy walked to his corner his trainer and chief second, Dave Smith, threw in the towel. The referee immediately placed his hand on Smith's head and gave him the light. Darcy's seconds at once ex- hibited his protecting cup, which was found to be dented.

.........(talks of house in uproar)
Dave Smith's action was not Justified when he threw in the towel. The refereee is the sole arbiter not the seconds,
........


I will post other reports soon.

[McGoorty]

"Darcy Smith"

I had read a few books, and as collecting newspaper artcles is my hobby I found this already with me:-

.
JEFF. SMITH BEATS DARCY. UNSATISFACTORY CONTEST.
The meeting of Jeff Smith, middleweight worlds champion, and Les. Darcy, the Maitland lad, drew a dense crowd-estimated at 15,000-to Baker's Stadium on Saturday night. Smith weighed list 51b, and his opponent «lb less. Mr. Harald Baker was referee.
Darcy had slightly the better of the first round Feinting with his left, he twice crossed the right to the back of-Smith's neck, but there was an absence of power in the blows. In the second round Smith got home once with his right, but other efforts to repeat the blow were cleverly blocked by Darcj, whose evasion was excellent. Points were about equal.
The third round saw Darcy's left land on the face, but Smith retaliated with a right to the body. Darcy cleverly ducked several swlngs. Still Smith justly
claimed this round.
The American in the next round-and In some of the earlier ones-had imprisoned Darcy's left hand, and was holding and hitting. Only on one occasion did the referee step in and break Smith's hold. The latter scored with a right cross and two severe straight lefts. This round also belonged to Smith .
The fifth and last round was sensational. It was opened by Darcy hooking the left to the side face, and he followed with a right to the other side "The boxers then came to closer quarters, and Smith got home a body blow which caused Darcy to stop fighting and gave signs of being in pain. He walked to his corner-Smith standing off him. The referee promptly went up to Darcy and said "fight on." This Darcy did, and with remarkable vigour, too He fully held his own, and was apparcntlj aB strong at the finish of the round as when he started the contest.
When Darcy walked to his corner his trainer and chief second, Dave Smith, threw in the towel. The referee immediately placed his hand on Smith's head and gave him the light. Darcy's seconds at once ex- hibited his protecting cup, which was found to be dented.

.........(talks of house in uproar)
Dave Smith's action was not Justified when he threw in the towel. The refereee is the sole arbiter not the seconds,
........


I will post other reports soon.

That is the first fight, the one where I said Darcy beat up Smith (Smith fouled a lot again). It's a pity you didn't post the riot part....... I really get a kick out of the old Sydney Stadium riots, they were almost a weekly event....... they liked setting fire to things... lol. ------------------------ As for Darcy in the first round, Les was a bit like Gibbons, he preferred to box, until he and Smith realise they hate each other...... There was no light punching from Les in the second fight..... he hurt Smith in both fights, but the second was a grudge fight..... I remember that Greb admired Smith, but he admitted that was because Jeff knew a lot more dirty stuff than Harry..... LOL.... now that tells you Greb's view on fouling...... and I admit, when Darcy fought in his early days, fouls were almost the order of the day...... Darcy learned a lot from those very rough characters..... and I know that the younger Darcy, was no Saint, I don't think they had them in the ring these days. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just a quick change of pace, tell me what you think of this photo of two MW's ?????????????????

[McGoorty]

We're getting closer

"Smith"

I will look into that guy...he does seem to be a kind of guy who does not admit defeat...I will check with others...But I actually was referrring to the Clabby and KO Brown fight...I will try to find reports of Smith and Darcy too.

And don't get angry about Smith I am sure no one can have everyones respect... He doesn't have to respect Darcy, maybe fair enough while Les was alive, but Jeff was still rattling that sabre a nearly a whole decade after Darcy's death....... and he was saying this in New Zealand to a group of Darcy fans............ Maybe McIntosh did something crooked and Smith was victimised in Australia..... But Jeff fought a lot of other fighters in Australia........ and the crowd was hostile towards him before he ever fought Les.

"Mike Gibbons punch"

Finally we agree on something...actually Mike was kind of outpoint your rival and leave it at that...but when he did want to punch it was good...Ahearns made some comments about Mike...we all know what happended next... No, it just doesn't pay to give lip to a guy a whole class above you, and then there was his little/BIG brother, Mike and Tommy were very close I think.

I have read in newspaper that after the 10 count Gibbons tried to lift the head of Ahearns, a work which he was relieved from by the seconds...the guy was KO'd cold. Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter.

Not to say his other KO's....but he generall played safe...


"McFarland fight"

I have researched into that more.
I think Gibbons and mcFarland both weighed below or at 147... Yeah, I'd forgotten that Gibbons was a WW in his early days, am I right ???

I had given one source (of them weighing over 150)...but after rechecking the NY times and a host of others I have found out the details...Yea Gibbons still had one pound may be.

Gibbons basically starved to make 147 and as such I believe lost some of his strength...but it was a very competitive fight. Didn't McFarland beat Britton ????...... Packy was awesome.

While I mention McFarland.... here's Packey knocking Jimmy Britt down.

[Greatest1942]

While I mention McFarland.... here's Packey knocking Jimmy Britt down.

"Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter."

Darcy wanted to meet the winner of Gibbons - Ahearn, fight...before the fight a telegram came which stated so..Ahearns at that point was widely repsected and considered a dangerous opponent...

"darcy- Smith"

I think Smith was ahead on points...in that fight and it was almost even.

Here's another report :-
The Advertiser

SMITH BEATS DARCY.
Sydney, January 24.
Forty minutes before "Jeff" Smith, 11 st. 5 lb.,
and "Les** Darcy, 11 st. 1 lb., stepped into the
Stadium ring last night to fight for the world's
middleweight championship, there were 10,000
spectators, and still the crowd poured in, a big
contingent arriving late from Newcastle and Mait-
land. Fully 14,000 were present when the open-
ing gong clanged. It was the biggest crowd, and
certainly by far the biggest gate, since the out-
break of the war affected attendances. Roars of
applause followed the Australian to his corner
after the first round, he having been very success-
ful in chopping his right to his opponent's head.
Smith acted mainly on the defensive, and im-
proved in the second, shaking Darcy with a heavy
right-cross. Immediately the Australian fought
back, landed a beautifully-timed left hook de-
fensively. Smith took the honors as the con-
test went on, with the men striving evenly. The
Australian was applauded for the grit with
which he responded when punished. Smith landed
some terrific rights to the head, but could not
shake Darcy. The fight ended at the fifth.
Darcy was hit low, and complained, but the re-
feree said ''box on," and be did so to the end ofFix this text
the round. When stripping off his trunks he
showed to the referee his battered shield. His
seconds then threw in his towel, and Smith was
declared the winner.


................

From the various reports the results seem to be to me:-

1) Les Darcy
2)Even
3)Smith
4)Smith
5)About even - Smith starts well, Darcy did okay at the end.

I think Smith was doing quite well there....I am using all Australian sources by the way.

[Greatest1942]

"He doesn't have to respect Darcy, maybe fair enough while Les was alive, but Jeff was still rattling that sabre a nearly a whole decade after Darcy's death"

Smith might have felt victimized. But yea he does seem to be overly bitter. No point holding grudge against a dead man.

[McGoorty]

"Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter."

Darcy wanted to meet the winner of Gibbons - Ahearn, fight...before the fight a telegram came which stated so..Ahearns at that point was widely repsected and considered a dangerous opponent...

"darcy- Smith"

I think Smith was ahead on points...in that fight and it was almost even.

Here's another report :-
The Advertiser

SMITH BEATS DARCY.
Sydney, January 24.
Forty minutes before "Jeff" Smith, 11 st. 5 lb.,
and "Les** Darcy, 11 st. 1 lb., stepped into the
Stadium ring last night to fight for the world's
middleweight championship, there were 10,000
spectators, and still the crowd poured in, a big
contingent arriving late from Newcastle and Mait-
land. Fully 14,000 were present when the open-
ing gong clanged. It was the biggest crowd, and
certainly by far the biggest gate, since the out-
break of the war affected attendances. Roars of
applause followed the Australian to his corner
after the first round, he having been very success-
ful in chopping his right to his opponent's head.
Smith acted mainly on the defensive, and im-
proved in the second, shaking Darcy with a heavy
right-cross. Immediately the Australian fought
back, landed a beautifully-timed left hook de-
fensively. Smith took the honors as the con-
test went on, with the men striving evenly. The
Australian was applauded for the grit with
which he responded when punished. Smith landed
some terrific rights to the head, but could not
shake Darcy. The fight ended at the fifth.
Darcy was hit low, and complained, but the re-
feree said ''box on," and be did so to the end ofFix this text
the round. When stripping off his trunks he
showed to the referee his battered shield. His
seconds then threw in his towel, and Smith was
declared the winner.


................

From the various reports the results seem to be to me:-

1) Les Darcy
2)Even
3)Smith
4)Smith
5)About even - Smith starts well, Darcy did okay at the end.

I think Smith was doing quite well there....I am using all Australian sources by the way.

That isn't the fight I was talking about, I was referring to Darcy V Smith 2....... but the fact remains that Smith hit Darcy in the Ol' Codgers,... The Referee mustn't have seen it.. The fight was very controversial... I don't know....... anyway I thought I'd put some photo's in as a gift to you for being a gritty fighter,..... and this BABE should make you feel good.... It's Rita Baby..

[McGoorty]

"Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter."

Darcy wanted to meet the winner of Gibbons - Ahearn, fight...before the fight a telegram came which stated so..Ahearns at that point was widely repsected and considered a dangerous opponent...

"darcy- Smith"

I think Smith was ahead on points...in that fight and it was almost even.

Here's another report :-
The Advertiser

SMITH BEATS DARCY.
Sydney, January 24.
Forty minutes before "Jeff" Smith, 11 st. 5 lb.,
and "Les** Darcy, 11 st. 1 lb., stepped into the
Stadium ring last night to fight for the world's
middleweight championship, there were 10,000
spectators, and still the crowd poured in, a big
contingent arriving late from Newcastle and Mait-
land. Fully 14,000 were present when the open-
ing gong clanged. It was the biggest crowd, and
certainly by far the biggest gate, since the out-
break of the war affected attendances. Roars of
applause followed the Australian to his corner
after the first round, he having been very success-
ful in chopping his right to his opponent's head.
Smith acted mainly on the defensive, and im-
proved in the second, shaking Darcy with a heavy
right-cross. Immediately the Australian fought
back, landed a beautifully-timed left hook de-
fensively. Smith took the honors as the con-
test went on, with the men striving evenly. The
Australian was applauded for the grit with
which he responded when punished. Smith landed
some terrific rights to the head, but could not
shake Darcy. The fight ended at the fifth.
Darcy was hit low, and complained, but the re-
feree said ''box on," and be did so to the end ofFix this text
the round. When stripping off his trunks he
showed to the referee his battered shield. His
seconds then threw in his towel, and Smith was
declared the winner.


................

From the various reports the results seem to be to me:-

1) Les Darcy
2)Even
3)Smith
4)Smith
5)About even - Smith starts well, Darcy did okay at the end.

I think Smith was doing quite well there....I am using all Australian sources by the way.

I apologise if you have already read this one.... there is some good stuff there other than Darcy....... This is NZ writer "Boxer Major", (maybe Aussie)...... who throws cold water over Gibbons claim to a title, saying that he is a top boxer, but say's that at best Mike was #1. challenger......... no love for McCoy, as usual he doesn't get a mention. I know this proves little... but anyway here's the link.. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...DyikdlIfGbj6MQ

[Greatest1942]

I apologise if you have already read this one.... there is some good stuff there other than Darcy....... This is NZ writer "Boxer Major", (maybe Aussie)...... who throws cold water over Gibbons claim to a title, saying that he is a top boxer, but say's that at best Mike was #1. challenger......... no love for McCoy, as usual he doesn't get a mention. I know this proves little... but anyway here's the link.. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...DyikdlIfGbj6MQ

yea I read that one...I have other artilces too, each claiming Gibbons as champ, but those doesn't prove anything...If Darcy - Gibbons happened , it would have been great... Its a shame some politicians really thought otherwise...also Darcy's premature death, sad story really.

"Darcy - Smith 2"

Second fight was better for Darcy...

DARCY BEATS JEFF SMITH.

There was scarcely a vacant seat in
Baker's Stadium on Saturday night (22nd
May), when Les. Darcy, of Maitland, en-
countered Jeff Smith (U.S.) for the world's
middleweight championship. Each boxer
weighed a few ounces over 11st 5lb.

The condition, of the men left little to
be desired. In the first round Darcy
shaped confidently, and aggressively. His
straight left followed by a right swing,
left its mark on Smith's face. The
American clinched, and resorted to hold-
ing and hitting his opponent. The young
Maitland blacksmith quite held his own
at infighting. After the breakaway both
men exhibited good boxing, their foot-
work and defensive movements being ad-
mirable.

There was a marked difference in the
respective styles. Darcy stood well up
to his mark, like the boxers of the Jem
Mace school. Smith crouched, and, when
he landed a blow, came to close quarters,
nestled his head near Darcy's chin, and
got to work with one hand while holding
his antagonist's left or right. It was
while Smith was crouching that he struck
Darcy an unmistakably foul blow below
the belt. The referee cautioned the
American for this offence. The men then
finished the round, which ended in Darcy's
favour, but not by a great margin. In
the second and last round Darcy forced
the fighting and scored with several heavy
lefts and rights, mostly to the head.
Smith, who was shaping somewhat ner-
vously, was not idle, for he landed heav-
ily with a straight left to the mark. Neat-
ly avoiding Darcy's left lead, he crossed
him heavily with the right. Smith
ducked another lead, and then swung his
left on Darcy's groin.

The referee, without a moment's hesita-
tion, separated the men, and placed his
hand on Darcy's head, indicating the winner.
Smith went to his corner, where he was
greeted with prolonged hooting. The de-
cision was undoubtedly correct, and it was
loudly applauded.


Les Darcy, writing to Mr. Corbett, of
the Sydney Sun, says:--"I wish I could
have had a little chat with you before my
departure for home. I am sure you would
like to know what I think of my battle
with Smith. Well, speaking for myself,
Mr. Corbett, I never felt better in my
life nor more confident of winning, and
I think Smith was frightened. I thought
so by the feel of him in the first round.
He is the dirtiest fighter ever I got into
the ring with. I'll never give him the
chance to win the championship back from
me--anybody else but him. He is likely
to cripple anyone. You would want armour
on like Ned Kelly's to be safe with him "