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Gibbons has the lowest level of punching power it's possible to rate at: 1.....1 is lowest, 14 is highest.
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Originally posted by McGoorty View Post
1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent)
read this http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+ahearns&hl=en
Its headlined "Gibbons lands haymaker in 1st round"
ALL OVER FOR AHEARN IN JUST 40 SECONDS
Gibbons' Hard Drive to Jaw Ends St Paul Battle. Crowd Jams About Building and Thousands Are Turned Away.
Boston Daily Globe (1872-1922) - Boston, Mass.
2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too.
3)Well for you here is another on the Soldier Bartfield one
GIBBONS HAS HARD BOUT.; Soldier Bartfield Makes Westerner Hustle to Win.
NY TIMES.
What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA.
Again Bartfield was not that bad. He was solid contender..here is one article declaring his and Les's victory...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...wn+darcy&hl=en
4) I dont want that to look as an excuse but Gibbons claimed that he had to cut too much weight for McFarland and hence it hurt him too.Besides the results are still disputed...I will go with the ref here who saw it most close and atleast can be said was there , unlike legions of newspaper who might have heard off it.
5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon...
I dont blame Darcy but I dont blame the Americans too for thinking he was ducking...since he was turning down insane offers...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
This is in 1916.
The above states Darcy is about to enter Vaudeville...
Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...S19170303.2.38
This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight...
WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army
MIKE GIBBONS ALL THROUGH CHASING DARCY
St. Paul Boxer Leaves for Home Disgusted With Way Australian Sidesteps Matches.--Detroit Free Press
anyways it was more of teh fault of the people negotiating for him...I dont blame a 21 year old kid for being thick...and lastly you will be pleased to find that some Americans considered the banning of Darcy to be unfair...He was later scheduled to fight anyway.
My point is he had a chance to fight Mike before ...we never know if Whitman would have woke up by then...This vaudeville and others tarnished his reputation in the USA and gave some people the required AMMO.
But we all know it did not happen and later on when they got around it he got suspended.
"Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was "
Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that?
Lastly while many praised Darcy, some like KO brown, Smith et all said Gibbons was better...most ring people of that time thought Gibbons had the edge over Darcy including some common opponents and vice versa.
And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ns+darcy&hl=en
See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ns+darcy&hl=en
If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence
" We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???"
Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds*
* relax I am guessing as surely you are though...ha ha
I leave you with an interesting article and in one which Gibbons style is discussed...Darcy's scrap with Dillon too...and there is an open challenge by Mike to any body...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...al+mccoy&hl=enLast edited by Greatest1942; 09-18-2011, 12:20 PM.Comment
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Just to illustrate that why I think the Gibbons fight did not come up due to internal Darcy squabbles than American interference---Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent)
read this http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+ahearns&hl=en
Its headlined "Gibbons lands haymaker in 1st round"
ALL OVER FOR AHEARN IN JUST 40 SECONDS
Gibbons' Hard Drive to Jaw Ends St Paul Battle. Crowd Jams About Building and Thousands Are Turned Away.
Boston Daily Globe (1872-1922) - Boston, Mass.
2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too.
3)Well for you here is another on the Soldier Bartfield one
GIBBONS HAS HARD BOUT.; Soldier Bartfield Makes Westerner Hustle to Win.
NY TIMES.
What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA.
Again Bartfield was not that bad. He was solid contender..here is one article declaring his and Les's victory...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...wn+darcy&hl=en
4) I dont want that to look as an excuse but Gibbons claimed that he had to cut too much weight for McFarland and hence it hurt him too.Besides the results are still disputed...I will go with the ref here who saw it most close and atleast can be said was there , unlike legions of newspaper who might have heard off it.
5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon...
I dont blame Darcy but I dont blame the Americans too for thinking he was ducking...since he was turning down insane offers...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
This is in 1916.
The above states Darcy is about to enter Vaudeville...
Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please)...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...S19170303.2.38
This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight...
WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army
MIKE GIBBONS ALL THROUGH CHASING DARCY
St. Paul Boxer Leaves for Home Disgusted With Way Australian Sidesteps Matches.--Detroit Free Press
anyways it was more of teh fault of the people negotiating for him...I dont blame a 21 year old kid for being thick...and lastly you will be pleased to find that some Americans considered the banning of Darcy to be unfair...He was later scheduled to fight anyway.
My point is he had a chance to fight Mike before ...we never know if Whitman would have woke up by then...This vaudeville and others tarnished his reputation in the USA and gave some people the required AMMO.
But we all know it did not happen and later on when they got around it he got suspended.
"Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was "
Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that?
Lastly while many praised Darcy, some like KO brown, Smith et all said Gibbons was better...most ring people of that time thought Gibbons had the edge over Darcy including some common opponents and vice versa.
And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ns+darcy&hl=en
See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ns+darcy&hl=en
If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence
" We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???"
Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds
Associated Press
New York, Feb. 16.--Les Darcy to-day began to be about as unpopular with the sport-loving public in New York as it is possible for a man who has been placed upon a pedestal. Following the announcement that he did not intend to live up to a contract signed for him by Tim O'Sullivan, his manager, calling for bouts in Milwaukee with Jeff Smith of Jercey City and Mike Gibbons, Darcy stated that O'Sullivan had been dismissed as his manager last Tuesday.
He, apparently, forgot that on his trip to New York Bay from the Standard Oil tank ship Cushing he had told several persons aboard a tug, including Tex Rickard, Tom O'Rourke and Charles Harvey, that O'Sullivan and no one else would act in this country as his manager.
To-day Darcy declared that O'Sullivan never had been his manager, but had been employed as agent, and never had been authorized to make matches.
International News
New York, Feb. 16.--Les Darcy's denial that he authorized the signing of articles to box Mike Gibbons in Milwaukee April 10 left promoters in a quandary here today. Darcy flatly refused to talk with Gibbons last Tuesday, and the action of E. T. O'Sullivan in signing for the Gibbons bout, caused the Maitland wonder to rise in wrath. Darcy said today he has dismissed O'Sullivan as his manager. O'Sullivan denied Darcy's right to do so. Each side has retained counsel to settle the difficulty.
NY Tribune, Feb. 16
Les Darcy, the Australian 'cross-country and transoceanic runner, has severed connections with Tim O'Sullivan, the man who smuggled him out of Australia and kept him out of the trenches. He will probably be with the Curley-Jones-Willard syndicate boxing safeties before the month is over.
The following letter from Darcy was received last night:
To the Sporting Editor.
Dear Sir: My attention has been called to an article in the sporting columns of this morning's papers announcing that E. T. O'Sullivan has signed a contract for me to box Mike Gibbons in Milwaukee on April 10.
I beg to notify you that I have made no contract whatever to box Mike Gibbons on April 10 or at any other time. Neither have I authorized E. T. O'Sullivan or any one else to do so in my behalf.
No one has authority to sign articles for me without my approval.
Mr. E. T. O'Sullivan is no longer in my employ, either as trainer or otherwise, having been dismissed Tuesday, February 13, 1917. Yours truly,
LES DARCY.
NY Tribune, Feb. 17
Les us consider the case of James Lester Darcy, the champion of Australia, who arrived here some three months ago. He announced immediately upon landing that he would engage in about three bouts with the best men in his class, ship the profits back to his indigent family and sail for London to enlist for overseas service and fight "for the empire."
After doing a turn on the burlesque circuit Darcy decided that he would box Al McCoy, popularly known as the cheese champion, for the modest sum of $30,000. After that he would look about him for other set-ups and other theatrical engagements. As soon as Darcy's manager, E. T. O'Sullivan, signed him up with Mike Gibbons, whom Darcy regards as dangerous, the Australian hero immediately severed connections with his manager......
Now now read this reports from earlier :-
1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S1)
By W. O. M'GEEHAN
Darcy arrived on the Standard Oil tanker Cushing, after an adventurous journey from Australia, which consumed over two months. His trainer and acting manager, J. G. O'Sullivan, accompanied him. On the Cushing, Darcy was travelling under the name of Dawson, having shipped as a fireman.Last edited by Greatest1942; 09-18-2011, 10:33 AM.Comment
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1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S3)
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"Yes, I know Kearns," said Darcy. "He sent me a blank contract to Australia, but I never signed with him. I am not tied up with anybody on this trip. Mr. O'Sullivan is my manager and we will take care of ourselves. A lot of people tried to get me to sign contracts before I left Australia."
1916-12-28 New York Evening Telegram (page 10)
By P. T. KNOX.
While discussing Darcy's prospects in this country, E. J. O'Sullivan, who Darcy declares, is his manager, warmed up to the subject like a regular manager, and, among other things, .....
1916-12-30 New York Evening Telegram (page 8 )
Darcy Picks Winner in Managerial Sweepstakes
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"Tim" O'Sullivan the Choice, with O'Rourke, Harvey and Others Also Rans in Big Field--Several Local Clubs to Hold Bouts To-Night.
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By HYATT DAAB.
Les Darcy will not have an American manager. "Tom" O'Rourke, "Charley" Harvey and the others who entered the managerial sweepstakes have faded gradually out of the picture and E. J. "Tim" O'Sullivan, Darcy's companion on the journey from Australia, alone remains.
Darcy has decided definitely to let O'Sullivan handle his affairs while in this country. "Tex" Rickard, however, will act as his chief adviser. The Australian will enter into no contracts without first consuilting the promoter.
"I have decided that 'Tim' O'Sullivan is to be my only manager in this country," remarked the young Australian. "We are old friends and get on very well together. He knows the boxing game thoroughly and is in every way competent to look after my business."
Darcy's declaration will put an end to all speculation as to whether he would employ an American to manage him. And Darcy's decision undoubtedly will find favor with a majority of the boxing enthusiasts. With O'Sullivan to handle the details of his business affairs and Rickard to direct him through the mazed of the more important propositions, it is safe to say Darcy's campaign in the ring will bring him big profits if he be successful. In electing to follow the advice of "Tex" Rickard Darcy has made a most popular decision.
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It seems to me that Darcy brought on a lot of his troubles to himself....there are ample newspaper evidenceComment
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"Mike Gibbons"
In his time Mike was ranked quite high...higher by people who saw him fight...more than Darcy...
Charley Rose ranked Gibbons as the #4 All-Time Middleweight; Nat Fleischer ranked him as the #9 All-Time Middleweight;
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
In the above link Lougharn says he rates Jack Dempsey as the greatest fighter in his life time and Mike gibbons as the greatest boxer of all time....
My own ambition in the ring had always been skillful boxing, speed and defense - on the order of Mike Gibbons.
Gene Tunney
George Barton, veteran manager, referee and newspaperman said,"No question about it, Mike Gibbons was just the greatest boxer who ever lived. He might have been a great wrestler, or great in any sport, but boxing was his game. I never expect to see another as good. One had to see Mike in action to fully appreciate his kills and understand why he was called The Phantom. He was the personification of perfection in boxing and punching technique, graceful motion and ring generalship."
Johnny Ertle, former claimant to the world bantamweight crown commented, "What I learned about boxing I learned mostly from Mike. We worked in the same gym for years. No, none will ever match Gibbons as a boxer."
Further quoting Gene Tunney," I learned more about boxing by watching Mike Gibbons in the gym than from any other source."
You see, Gibbons was rated extremely highly by those who knew him then...as those people died so did Gibbons reputation.
Mike was a pioneer....
read this quote by him :-
“First of all we keep books. By ‘we,’ I mean my brother Tom and I. It was Tom’s idea to keep a book on fighters. I used to have a lot of loose notes that I would consult but it got to be a cumbersome task, so Tom started a big account book and in it we have a careful resume of every fighter in the business either of us is apt to be called upon to fight as well as those we have already fought and are liable to be called upon to meet again.”
“Every bit of strength that a fighter is known to have is jotted down in this book along with his weakness, his temperamental aspects, his habits and how they are liable to affect his ring work, etc.”
“The tough fellow, the slugger who is willing to tear at you and take a chance, must be made to back up,” wrote Mike Gibbons.
“The clever fellow who is anxious to stand off at long range and exchange his ‘Long Toms’ with you, must be made to come into you.
“That’s all there is to the Mike Gibbons system to beating them all. It needs little further explanation. The really great boxer is the fellow who can make his opponent do exactly what he should not do.”
Interesting huh? And might I add way put of his times...also throws a bit of dust on those people who claim that opponent analysis is a recent phenomena.
While McGoorty you praise Darcy's chin 9rightly so) remember Mike Gibbons was never stopped in a career that spanned over 100 fights.Last edited by Greatest1942; 09-18-2011, 12:30 PM.Comment
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Cheers mate, but this is the last time I'll respond to any claims that Darcy ducked anybody....Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent) Don't get me wrong mate, I don't think that there's many pro boxers who have no punch at all. Let's take Willie Pep, he is not regarded in lists of hard punchers, but Willie knocked guys out too, but he isn't in Azumah's class as a hitter, and Azumah didn't hit as hard as Saddler, but there are some who hit bigger. Darcy was a bigger hitter and had the marginally better chin, no knockdowns. Mike Gibbons has a KO % of around mid-20's
2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too. Sorry to disappoint you there but I've seen all 9 rounds of Darcy against Chip, Les wins every round by fairly wide margins, I can tell you that Chip had no regard for rules whatsoever, I'd say he throws at least a dozen backhanders in the fight, Chips head is being snapped whenever Darcy wants to hit him with a power shot. George eats so many body shots and blows to the chin, Darcy uppercuts him up to 8 punches coming out of clinches. If you want the fight is on my youtube channel, I had to upload it so anyone in the world can see a full fight from 1916, maybe the only film left of a full fight from that year, maybe. The fight should be on my Les Darcy Book thread. download it from youtube if you like, you will see how strong he really is. also there is a great highlight video on Barnburners YT channel.
What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA. I don't think those fights were very close at all,.. and anyway there were real decisions over here, ref's had more power, but of course newspapers here still had their own versions. But Brown and Clabby really had no answer to Darcy's ability, to see any flaws in Darcy you have to go to his early career, He won those four fights by good margins..... Anyway, from some of the stuff I read from the U.S. papers during the smear campaign a lot of those writers were TOOLS to put it mildly.... as I said before, they were paid good money to smear Darcy's name.... It seems to me that the U.S. was pretty hostile territory for fighters from outside.. For example, when Darcy arrived in NY, he was feted as an Australian conqueror, but when the "slacker smear campaign" hit, Darcy is now described by some papers as simply a foreigner as if he was Chinese or something.
5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon... Some very bad advice, this Tim O' Sullivan character needs to be looked at, he was a fink by the looks of him. He led Darcy astray, it was Tim who put a wall between Darcy and Rickard.... In my opinion Rickard led Les astray, by promising Darcy huge fights. The catch with Rickard though is that he wants to be the big cheese, and because of his ties with Madison Square Garden, once Darcy was prohibited to fight in NY, Rickard cut him loose,..Darcy should have gone with the smartest crook in Kearns. Darcy is not the one stuffing things up.
Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please)... Well I haven't read it yet, so I'll thank you now if that's allright, Darcy had done stuff like Vaudeville, but Vaudeville sparring, and starred in a feature film about his own life back in Australia... decades before Ali starred in his own movie....... But just look at the likes of Dempsey, Johnson, Ray Robinson, Jeffries, Sullivan... in fact it was a long standing fighter tradition. It was Rickards idea that one as far as I know, Tex wants the fights he wants, and to get Darcy some quick handy cash, and promising Les that he'd make more money on a tour than fighting. -------------------- Having said that, I believe that guy's like Dempsey and John L. were destroyed by showbusiness, it's the BIG reason they became inactive........ and one more thing, if some slick talking yank boxing promoter tells Darcy that this Len Rowlands is a real prodigy, it seems thats why later he was so derogatory about Dillon's ability was that, Dillon was ****y, annoyed Les, and then when Les see's Dillon sparring he is shocked that this guy is actually no better than some of Les's opponents. No doubt, when Darcy finally sets eyes on Rowlands, Les got extremely Pis*ed off........... Darcy always got annoyed when he found out that they'd told him that some guy is good..... Darcy never wasted his time with bums.... and he knocked them all out early in the fights......... and I can prove it.
This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled I think you know that Darcy was walking around as a full-blown LHW...... he needed to fight on a regular basis.... I think weight cutting problems would have made Dillon a better option.... But lets end this one issue about who did what here, you know and I know that it doesn't matter, Darcy fights Dillon and beats him,..... we both know that a Darcy vs Gibbons fight was just a matter of time....... these guy's ARE NOT, FLOYDY BOY MAYWEATHER now are they ???....... this fight would have happened in 1917 or early 1918... do you agree ????
This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight... the smear campaign. the smear campaign, THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN, the smear campa..zzzz
WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army FACT ! Sergeant LES DARCY, U.S. ARMY ! Darcy did join.... so FOUK this cu*t Governor Whitman of N.Y a scumbag. All Australia has always hated his name May wrath be upon him.
Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that? I have heard Tunney say great things about Mike, and I believe that he probably did. BUT, Tunney publicly told NILAND in the fifties, that Darcy WAS THE BEST MW OF HIS TIME...... check out journalist and biographer D'Arcy Niland for that interview with Gene.
And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds. When did Darcy ever fight in 10 round fights, Maybe Gibbons was a little scared of going the PROPER 20 round distance...... if I had my way all modern top-level bouts would still be 20 rounds. Distances are in reality, different CLASSES of fights,
See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown. Triangle theory... how many times have I staed that Clabby said Darcy was a level above.... oh man. I think you will be recieving Hundreds of links to Darcy's fights.. I fear you have been reading a lot of Darcy HATERS.
If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence I doubt all that VERY much, You are talking about ****ty TEN round fights there in most cases, in my opinion 10 round bouts are crappy comparisons to Darcy's 20 round fights.... I'm pretty sure that darcy blew Jeff Smiths Fu**ing head off in the second fight,.... he didn't pitty pat around and went the distance with Smith, Smith is a lying F****ng C**T.
Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds .....Oh so he fights like a gutless modern fighter by getting on his bike ???.... I thought we were talking about a real fighter ???... So what you are saying, Mike scores a very narrow points decision (but I thought all 10 rounders are ND contests)... that's if there are judges, sounds like a sick ND contest which means it can never be an official decision we end up back at square one,... Then when Darcy gets him in a 20 round, by a TKO probably... gee a cranky darcy would be awesome....
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Here are links to the Chip fight... see if you can score even ONE Round for Chip... sorry about the order of them,... Part 1 is the beginning of the fight,... there are only a few seconds cut out.... http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=497729&page=3.. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=497729&page=4Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent)
read this http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+ahearns&hl=en
Its headlined "Gibbons lands haymaker in 1st round"
ALL OVER FOR AHEARN IN JUST 40 SECONDS
Gibbons' Hard Drive to Jaw Ends St Paul Battle. Crowd Jams About Building and Thousands Are Turned Away.
Boston Daily Globe (1872-1922) - Boston, Mass.
2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too.
3)Well for you here is another on the Soldier Bartfield one
GIBBONS HAS HARD BOUT.; Soldier Bartfield Makes Westerner Hustle to Win.
NY TIMES.
What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA.
Again Bartfield was not that bad. He was solid contender..here is one article declaring his and Les's victory...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...wn+darcy&hl=en
4) I dont want that to look as an excuse but Gibbons claimed that he had to cut too much weight for McFarland and hence it hurt him too.Besides the results are still disputed...I will go with the ref here who saw it most close and atleast can be said was there , unlike legions of newspaper who might have heard off it.
5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon...
I dont blame Darcy but I dont blame the Americans too for thinking he was ducking...since he was turning down insane offers...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
This is in 1916.
The above states Darcy is about to enter Vaudeville...
Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please)...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...+gibbons&hl=en
This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...S19170303.2.38
This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight...
WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army
MIKE GIBBONS ALL THROUGH CHASING DARCY
St. Paul Boxer Leaves for Home Disgusted With Way Australian Sidesteps Matches.--Detroit Free Press
anyways it was more of teh fault of the people negotiating for him...I dont blame a 21 year old kid for being thick...and lastly you will be pleased to find that some Americans considered the banning of Darcy to be unfair...He was later scheduled to fight anyway.
My point is he had a chance to fight Mike before ...we never know if Whitman would have woke up by then...This vaudeville and others tarnished his reputation in the USA and gave some people the required AMMO.
But we all know it did not happen and later on when they got around it he got suspended.
"Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was "
Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that?
Lastly while many praised Darcy, some like KO brown, Smith et all said Gibbons was better...most ring people of that time thought Gibbons had the edge over Darcy including some common opponents and vice versa.
And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ns+darcy&hl=en
See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...ns+darcy&hl=en
If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence
" We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???"
Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds*
* relax I am guessing as surely you are though...ha ha
I leave you with an interesting article and in one which Gibbons style is discussed...Darcy's scrap with Dillon too...and there is an open challenge by Mike to any body...
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...al+mccoy&hl=enComment
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So what,,... like I've said many times, Les was too trusting of many, he trusted O'Sullivan until he found out that O' Sullivan was doing things without approval.... By the way his name ain't Lester...... James Leslie Darcy is the man we're talking about. ------------------------------ In the end Darcy was disillusioned with the SHADY O'Sullivan....... DARCY DID NOT DODGE GIBBONS....... the more time that passed, darcy was losing his edge... DOES'NT HE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROPER MATCHMAKING ??????....... Gibbons is coming across as a bitter SOOK here.Originally posted by Greatest1942 View PostComment
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I think that's better, no comparing to Darcy and it was interesting. And I think Mikes chin top-drawer same as Les, although Darcy Never even got knocked down in his career and Mike wasn't as big a puncher, I think he knocked guys out with skill more than brute force. I'ts nice to be able to form some picture of his style..... but you know that it's not always the more skillful boxer that wins... Mike never got KO'd..... but he never ever met a Darcy.Originally posted by Greatest1942 View PostComment
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"Oh so he fights like a gutless modern fighter by getting on his bike ???.... I thought we were talking about a real fighter ???"
Most guys avoided Mike, I dont think you should call a guy who fought mcGoorty and Dillon while giving 10 pounds gut less...
I have given the quotes tunney said about Gibbons...Gibbons was rated as the best by most who saw him...I have given that too...he was ranked in the top 10 by Nat and other old timers who saw him...
Lastly I dont think you call Gene Tunney a runner or Ali...Mike Gibbons was the predeseccor of Tunney, since he by his own admittance copied Gibbons.
Now you cll Gibbons a spook.
Consider this, a guy lands from a far off country and decalres that o Sullivan is his manager(No darcy hater this, this is a documented quote), that guy signs a fight with Mike, later when the fight comes Les says he has fired that guy and wont fight Gibbons.
Well if I was Gibbons I would consider thata duck...let aside your bias and think this once please.
And yea, I don't think Les ducked Gibbons but it might have appeared to Gibbons that Darcy was giving him the slip. (news paper reprots already provided)
Gibbons KO % is a bit misleading, I have documented quotes of Mcfarland claiming that the only thing he feared about Gibbons was his right hand.
Plus he did KO mcGoorty earlier than Darcy managed once (KO 5). George "K.O." Brown KOd in one round (common opponent). Ahearns KO 1. His right hand is underrated. I will give you evidence later.
I have seen every bit of video on Darcy, more than most. I still think Mike holds the edge by a good margin.
Lastly I read all kinds of paper pro Darcy and other wise...I form an opinion from the primary sources always.Comment
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