Vitali Klitschko vs Muhammad Ali

[GJC]

Thanks for doing those Poet quite interesting stuff. Wouldn't take it as gospel but Title Bout's results don't sem that out of whack. Don't neccessarily agree with them all the time but couldsee how they could be justified.
Great work, i'll prepare my next list

[#1Assassin]

but ali struggled with lesser fighters than vitali, like doug jones and henry cooper.. vitali hasnt even really been beat properly, was beating chris byrd until his shoulder went and was leading on the scorecards against lewis before he was stopped on cuts.

so the way your making out is if i've said if tye fields vs ali!

but ali also had a several great wins, something vitali lacks. beating sanders and JCG isnt good enough to compare him to ali. by your logic floyd comparing himself to ray robinson was fair aswell. and it is alot more fair than comparing vitali to ali. the fights u mentioned wasnt a prime ali. lewis was past his best and he was beating vitali when the fight was stopped. he started slow as always, he was further behing against bruno amongst many and came back to knock him out. he wouldve iced vitali in 2 more rounds if the cut hadnt ended it early. ali fougth norton with a broken jaw, vitali quit with a injured shoulder. so ali is tougher, he has a just as good or better chin, much faster hands, much faster feet, much more skills.. vitali moves like a robot, ali would make him look foolish. he would make vitali look like tye fields if they fought.

[TheGreatA]

Running meaningless statistics through a computer is like rampant ************ without sex. It proves nothing.

Pitting Ali against Vitali is like putting Mosley against Dawson and citing a Mosley win through his 'statistics' / accomplishments.

I had seriously hoped a few people would have been a little more level headed here. I can understand historic romantacism, even favouratism but when logic gets thrown out of the window it annoys me.

It's more like pitting Chad Dawson against Ezzard Charles/Michael Spinks/Archie Moore.

[gingeralbino]

Round 7
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Marciano looks to be in excellent shape as Round 7 gets underway. 0:0
0:07 Whatever Charley Goldman said to him in the corner between rounds must have had some effect. Marciano is letting his hands go. 0:0
0:08 Both fighters are pawing with the jab, trying to find an opening. Louis digs a quick hook into the exposed side of Marciano. 2:0
0:12 Both fighters show virtually nothing in the way of damage. 2:0
0:20 Marciano seems to be protecting his body which is leaving his head vulnerable. He doesn t like body shots but I don t know anyone that does. 2:0
0:28 Marciano misses with that punch. 2:0
0:30 Joe Louis rips off two quick jabs and one finds the mark. 4:0
0:40 Louis moves into a neutral corner. 4:0
0:40 Marciano shoots the right home. That s a sneaky punch. 4:2
0:53 Marciano works his way in and leans on Louis. 4:2
0:58 Both fighters move to ring center. 4:2
01:02 Rocky Marciano dips as if to launch a body shot, then goes upstairs with a quick hook to the head that puts Louis back on his heels! 4:6
01:02 That s the shot Marciano hoped to land! Louis looks bad after that series of blows. 4:6
01:12 The fighters are jockeying for position as both men try to gain the advantage here in the 7th. 4:6
01:15 Marciano slides into his own corner... 4:6
01:20 Marciano tries to muscle inside but Louis clinches him. 4:6
01:29 Referee Lane separates the two... 4:6
01:38 Louis can t win this fight if he just throws one punch at a time. Now he just unloaded a flurry of punches and several scored cleanly. 6:6
01:47 Marciano has Louis trapped in the right neutral corner... 6:6
01:52 Marciano lands a devastating hook! 6:10
01:52 Louis is hurt! 6:10
02:05 The two fighters lean on one another, neither willing to do any work for the moment. The referee pushes them apart and tells them to get on with the action. 6:10
02:17 Louis throws a flurry of punches but Marciano either blocks or slips them. 6:10
02:19 Marciano blasts two wicked shots to the ribs of Louis and you could see him wince in pain. 6:13
02:31 Marciano digs two shots to the body and then rips Louis with a short uppercut on the inside. 6:16
02:40 Marciano lands two quick, hard uppercuts that make Louis take a half step backwards. 6:19
02:54 Louis picks off the jab thrown by Marciano. 6:19
02:56 Joe Louis digs a short hook to ribs of Marciano. 8:19
03:00 And there s the bell ending Round 7. 7:21

Round 8
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Marciano is getting his full rest as he remains on his stool as the Round 8 bell sounds. Now he s up and his corner scrambles to exit the ring. 0:0
0:05 Charley Goldman not only gave Marciano encouragement between rounds but also some solid advice on how to handle Louis. Now it s up to Marciano to implement it. 0:0
0:11 Joe Louis lets his hands go but his punches land on the arms of Marciano. 0:0
0:17 Marciano catches Joe Louis coming in with a sweet uppercut! 0:4
0:17 Joe Louis is suddenly in trouble! 0:4
0:22 Both of these guys look just like they came out of their dressing rooms not a mark on them. 0:4
0:26 Lane is getting too involved in the fight and is becoming more of a factor than a referee is supposed to be. 0:4
0:29 Louis scores big with that hook to the jaw of Marciano. Marciano took a step back after absorbing that shot. 3:4
0:43 Marciano has been watching too much wrestling. He s clinching. 3:4
0:47 Lane moves them apart. 3:4
0:57 It s a sweet uppercut by Marciano! He snapped Louis s head straight back with that punch! 3:9
0:57 That was a beautiful uppercut! Louis s eyes actually rolled back in his head! It s amazing that he's still standing. 3:9
01:09 Louis moves into the upper left corner. 3:9
01:14 Marciano pins Louis s arms. Now they move apart. 3:9
01:29 Louis pushes Marciano away. 3:9
01:36 Marciano has Louis pinned! 3:9
01:40 Marciano tries to double up on the jab but neither hit the mark. 3:9
01:52 Marciano lands a strong hook! 3:13
01:52 Louis was staggered by that punch! 3:13
02:06 Joe Louis and Marciano are in a clinch, Lane hollers at them to break and start fighting. 3:13
02:15 Louis and Rocky Marciano each take a step back. 3:13
02:24 Marciano fires a volley of punches but Louis was already moving laterally and was out of harm s way by the time Marciano started punching. 3:13
02:31 Rocky Marciano is receiving a lot of encouragement from his corner. If this helps win fights, he has a real good shot tonight. 3:13
02:35 Louis is blocked in his own corner... 3:13
02:40 Marciano lands a crushing combination! 3:17
02:40 Louis appears shaken by those punches! 3:17
02:44 Louis is starting to swell just a little under his right eye. It remains to be seen if it will become a problem. 3:17
02:53 Lane warns Marciano for holding and hitting, although he is doing a lot more holding than hitting. 3:17
02:58 Lane has to break them apart. 3:17
03:00 Marciano pins Louis s arms against his body stopping him from throwing any punches. 3:17
03:00 Lane has to break the clinch. 3:17
03:00 There s the bell, finishing Round 8. 2:17

Round 9
Time Commentary Points
0:00 Louis and Marciano square off as the bell sounds to start the action for Round 9. 0:0
0:07 The swelling on the face of Louis is noticeable, even at a distance. Although his corner men were applying cold compresses and trying to work the swelling away from his eyes, Louis still has distension. 0:0
0:13 Louis drops his shoulder as if to throw a right, then quickly rips a quick left hook to the body that makes Marciano wince! 5:0
0:13 Marciano looks shaken! 5:0
0:22 Marciano s corner men did their job with quiet efficiency and confidence. 5:0
0:27 OH! Louis landed the big hook flush! 9:0
0:27 Marciano is staggered… 9:0
0:36 Louis has Marciano pinned! 9:0
0:41 Louis doubled up on the hook. Did you see the water fly off Marciano s head? 13:0
0:41 Marciano appears shaken by this punch! 13:0
0:55 Marciano drives the hook home. 13:3
0:59 The swelling at Louis s right eye is worsening. 13:3
01:04 Marciano slides into the corner... 13:3
01:09 Louis scores with a winging right! Marciano s head turned halfway round with that punch! 17:3
01:09 Marciano was staggered by that punch! 17:3
01:21 Marciano throws a punch and lands. Louis scores with a counter. Looks like both fighters were effective in that exchange. 19:5
01:30 Louis lands to the chest and neck of Marciano. 21:5
01:39 Marciano retreats into the far left corner. 21:5
01:39 Marciano lets go with a hook but Louis blocks it and then he scores with a hook of his own! 23:5
01:53 That was a straight right by Louis! 27:5
01:53 Marciano is hurt! 27:5
02:02 Louis has Marciano cornered! 27:5
02:07 Louis misses badly. It looked like he changed his mind half way through the punch. 27:5
02:14 Marciano just landed a three punch combo! 27:10
02:14 Louis was shaken by those blows! 27:10
02:18 Louis s right eye is becoming more swollen and it s going to need controlled in order for Joe Louis to see properly out of it. 27:10
02:28 Louis scores with a tremendous left! 31:10
02:28 Marciano was stunned by that blow! 31:10
02:37 * That punch caught Marciano clean. He brings his arms up in a defensive posture. Now he pitches forward! Marciano goes down after a delayed reaction to the hook by Louis! 31:10
02:40 Lane begins the count... 41:10
02:40 1... 41:10
02:41 2... 41:10
02:42 3... 41:10
02:43 4... 41:10
02:44 5... 41:10
02:45 6... 41:10
02:46 7... 41:10
02:47 8... 41:10
02:48 9... 41:10
02:49 10! 41:10
02:49 * That's it! Marciano can't beat the count. Louis wins this fight with a knockout. 41:10


Fight Result
Here s Michael Buffer with the call…
Ladies and Gentlemen! The winner by knockout at the 02:50 mark in Round 9 is…..Joe Louis!


Score Cards
Tony Perez Puerto Rico Round Total
Joe Louis 75
Rocky Marciano 76

Franz Marti Switzerland Round Total
Joe Louis 76
Rocky Marciano 76

Lee McCowan United States Round Total
Joe Louis 76
Rocky Marciano 77

Round Totals
Joe Louis 227
Rocky Marciano 229


Statistics

Categories Joe Louis Rocky Marciano
Knockdowns scored 2 0
Total Number of Fouls 0 0
Cuts 0 0

Punches Landed
Jabs 53 19
Hooks 49 34
Crosses 48 68
Combinations 58 33
Uppercuts 34 33

Punches Thrown 476 532
Punches Landed 242 187
Punches Missed 234 345
Punching Accuracy 50.8% 35.2%

Ah so Rocky Marciano won then. he was leading on the scorecards when he got knocked out, so he won. Thats how it works right, or is that just with Vitali..............?

[Dynamite Kid]

Running meaningless statistics through a computer is like rampant ************ without sex. It proves nothing.

Pitting Ali against Vitali is like putting Mosley against Dawson and citing a Mosley win through his 'statistics' / accomplishments.

I had seriously hoped a few people would have been a little more level headed here. I can understand historic romantacism, even favouratism but when logic gets thrown out of the window it annoys me.

How is it favoritism?

It makes no difference how big you are if you have nothing to hit, Muhammad Ali would make Vitali reset and he would keep him turning constantly.

Frazier is an aggressive come foward pressure fighter who is at his best coming foward, cutting the ring down and being aggressive, whilst Vitali is at his best counter punching, so you see its like i said its completely irrelevant how big Frazier was/is because he had a style that meant he was able to pin Ali down to land punches.

Vitali could catch Ali and hurt him but can you honestly see Vitali knocking Ali out ? that would be Vitali's only ticket to winning because he would get thoroughly outfoxed by the speed and angles of Ali in a Boxing match.


Vitali would have success against a small HW that stood infront of him where by he could impose his extra size and strength, but somebody who makes him come foward and makes him reset constantly is going to give him a big head ache.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ah so Rocky Marciano won then. he was leading on the scorecards when he got knocked out, so he won. Thats how it works right, or is that just with Vitali..............?

[Brockton Lip]

That was a great transcript of Louis-Marciano!

Could you run Ezzard Charles vs. Jones Jr to see the wins/losses for each?

[StarshipTrooper]

That was a great transcript of Louis-Marciano!

Could you run Ezzard Charles vs. Jones Jr to see the wins/losses for each?

Consider it done!

Poet

[Jim Jeffries]

I think that the 66-67 version of Ali would present far too many different angles for the slower Vitali to catch him, and ultimately would outpoint him by a decent margin. A Liston/Ali I or Vitali/Byrd type stoppage caused by hitting air all night and throwing his arm out is not out of the question either. Ali/Wlad would be far more competitive.

[StarshipTrooper]

That was a great transcript of Louis-Marciano!

Could you run Ezzard Charles vs. Jones Jr to see the wins/losses for each?

Okay, here you go!

Title Bout II

Ezzard Charles 69-26-5 with 32 stoppages
Roy Jones Jr. 26-69-5 with 11 stoppages

Ezzard Charles was a beast at Light-Heavy

Poet