Vitali Klitschko vs Muhammad Ali

[GJC]

Ali did not lose to Norton though. I dont know why people or even Ali himself claim he had trouble with Norton because i had him beating Norton 2 out of the 3 times, and i thought he was the more active fighter throughout both the 2nd and 3rd fight, the first fight he had a broken jaw, so it stands to reason Norton gave him hell then.

oooooo not sure about that, I had Norton winning 1 and 3 and have my doubts about the 2nd too. GreatA posted 2nd one for me and I keep intending to re-watch it. Norton was just a bad style for Ali, doesn't make him the better fighter just one of those aberations that makes boxing such fun.

[GJC]

For starters Ali was past prime for the Norton fights AND fighting a fighter who's style of boxing was poison to slick boxers. Secondly, height is probably the most neglible physical trait when it comes to boxing: Reach is FAR more significant and neither Klitschko has any significant reach advantage over Ali. Thirdly, the Klitschkos only seem as skilled as they do compared to the grossly obese no-skilled tubs of lard fighting in today's Heavyweight division.

Poet

Ah but you are forgetting median weight!

[GJC]

It lasted 6 rounds, Hearns was slaughtering Barklay for 3 rounds!
I made it 4-2 not like he only had to stay on his feet to win.

[StarshipTrooper]

Are you a knn alt? I'm getting too old for this computer stuff.Sounds interesting though is this programme freely available and user friendly. As you are doing requests, Louis v Marciano and Ali v Marciano have always interested me?

They're freely available if purchased lol. No problem on the matchups: Have the results in a few.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Ah but you are forgetting median weight!

Not to mention fights against "bums" (ie. fighters weighing less than 235) and "featherfists" (ie. people KOing those under 235) as well as factoring out fights over 12 rounds and bouts not fought in Germany ect. ect. ect.

Poet

[Dynamite Kid]

oooooo not sure about that, I had Norton winning 1 and 3 and have my doubts about the 2nd too. GreatA posted 2nd one for me and I keep intending to re-watch it. Norton was just a bad style for Ali, doesn't make him the better fighter just one of those aberations that makes boxing such fun.

I think Ali clearly threw more punches in both fights.

When Norton is stalking, Ali is punching and that is a feature of both fights imo.

I would not go as far as to say he was a bad style match up for Ali because i had Ali wining both fight, but one thing Norton did to Ali was disrupt his rhythm.

[Rosseboi]

Prime Vitali. Too big, too strong - he's everything Foreman wanted to be and more.

If a 5 foot 11 205 pound Frazier could put Ali down what do you think a 250 pound 6 foot 7 and a half inch tall technical beast with the highest ko % in history will do? Ali only weighed 215 for crying out loud. Utter mismatch - this would be anything but a repeat of rumble in the jungle :S

They ran Ali/Marciano through the 'computer' too. Look how that turned out.

[GJC]

what do you think a 250 pound 6 foot 7 and a half inch tall technical beast with the highest ko % in history will do?

In boxing he would lose fancy him in basketball or weightlifting though

[StarshipTrooper]

Are you a knn alt? I'm getting too old for this computer stuff.Sounds interesting though is this programme freely available and user friendly. As you are doing requests, Louis v Marciano and Ali v Marciano have always interested me?

Here you go!


Title Bout II

Joe Louis 75-23-2 with 52 stoppages
Rocky Marciano 23-75-2 with 22 stoppages


Data Boxing

Joe Louis 61-38-1 with 47 stoppages
Rocky Marciano 38-61-1 with 17 stoppages

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Title Bout II

Muhammed Ali 61-32-7 with 32
Rocky Marciano 32-61-7 with 22

Data Boxing

Muhammed Ali 93-7-0 with 77 stoppages
Rocky Marciano 7-93-0 with 6 stoppages

[StarshipTrooper]

In boxing he would lose fancy him in basketball or weightlifting though

Well GJC, who have to remember with a lot of these ********** Nimrods weight is everything.....so Butterbean MUST be "The Greatest"! Followed closely by Valuev.

Poet