The Most Overrated ''Old School Fighter''?

[GJC]

Still thinking about the question, totally disagree with all the answers given so far though. It is a tricky one though, does over rated mean that you don't think a fighter shouldn't be ranked as high? In which case is rating him top 10 atg when you have him top 20 over rating him? Or fighters you believe have no business being rated as an ATG?
Going to be good for a few arguments this one.

[Jim Jeffries]

He actually faced better oposition after his peak.

And so what? Wouldn't the Greatest of All time be able to adapt at his age and still beat pretty much everyone and stilld dominate? Like, I don't know, a certain Muhammad did?(Pretty much all his great wins were when he was past his prime). Or Leonard(Same goes for this lad). Or Pep(Same goes for this lad.)

Over half of SRR's losses came after the age of 40. At 36, Ali was losing to Leon fricken Spinks. What was your point again?

[DonTaseMeBrah]

rocky marciano, carlos palomino, kid gavilan come to mind.

[billionaire]

i dont respect anybody with a ko ratio less than 50% unless its a defensive wizard like pep or whitaker......jake lamotta had 80 wins 30 kos lmao great middleweight my foot.....

[RightCross94]

Yes. And Ali obviously. Lewis and Holyfield also. Larry Holmes also had a long consistent title reign but atleast Louis didn't end up losing to light heavyweights although he was on his way. Foreman not sure, maybe if he had longer title reigns.



He actually faced better oposition after his peak.

And so what? Wouldn't the Greatest of All time be able to adapt at his age and still beat pretty much everyone and stilld dominate? Like, I don't know, a certain Muhammad did?(Pretty much all his great wins were when he was past his prime). Or Leonard(Same goes for this lad). Or Pep(Same goes for this lad.)

i dont know what you're talking about, robinson was still winning titles and beating good fighters in his 30's, ali was washed up at a younger age than ray robinson

leonard came back once every 5 years to catch someone at the right time and look good, make no mistake a terrific fighter but yeah
and plus he never did anything of note after 34, (apart from get whooped by norris and camacho) while ray robinson was still winning titles after that age

pep did well after his plane crash but he was still done by his 30's

the funny thing is, ray robinson lasted longer than all these fighters, age and number of fights wise,

in fact ray robinson was still fighting for the world MW title at age 39/40 vs fullmer if i remember correctly and he held it until 1960 when pender beat him

so obviously ray was not as dominant at old age as he was in his prime but he was still fighting at title level until age 40, which is quite impressive

[DonTaseMeBrah]

i think henry armstrong is highly overrated. ive seen clips of him, wasnt impressed. the old time historians seem to think that bums were invented in the 90s & 2000s. As if they didnt exists back in the day.

[bklynboy]

Still thinking about the question, totally disagree with all the answers given so far though. It is a tricky one though, does over rated mean that you don't think a fighter shouldn't be ranked as high? In which case is rating him top 10 atg when you have him top 20 over rating him?

Yes, that how I look at it. If someone (take your choice) is considered to be a top 3 by just about everyone and you think that he is no better than top 5 then yes -- you consider him to be overrated.

You need to explain yourself and clearly say that you don't think the man was a bum, after all how can top 5 be a bum?

Let's say that you think that Ali is at best a top 3 or top 5 all-time heavyweight. Then you would think that he is being overrated by all who call him, at worst, a top 2 heavyweight. By saying he is at best a top 5 doesn't make Ali a bum.

Of course the first question that would be asked of you is: name who's better then Ali.

In case it matters I have Ali as 1, interchangeable with Louis.

I'll leave it to others to say who could top Ali but the choices are very limited: Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano would be the only ones I would think worthy of discussion. Others may bring in Tyson and Klitschko but I don't see any way that they could be considered better than Ali.

Regardless, say you're convinced that Ali is at best a top 5 then you would consider him overrated.

[Southpaw16BF]

i dont respect anybody with a ko ratio less than 50% unless its a defensive wizard like pep or whitaker......jake lamotta had 80 wins 30 kos lmao great middleweight my foot.....

So due to Lamotta not having a big KO ratio, you judge his whole legacy soley off this. Lamotta wasnt a big puncher due to his fragile hands which he would regulary have to get injections into to ease the pain.

Thus why he had to target the body more than the head. But lets look past his KO percentage and lets look at his accomplishments.

Resume Of Wins
Ray Robinson (40-0)
Fritzie Zivicx3
Jose Basora(Who defeated fighters like Holman Williams and Fritzie Zivic, and drew with a prime Ray Robinson)
Holman Williams(Who Held wins over Archie Moore, Charley Burley Lloyd Marshall, and Jose Basora)
Tony Janiro (57-3)
Marcel Cerdan (111-3)
Bob Satterfield (Who Held wins over Harold Johnson and Clevand Williams)

Held wins over numerous All Time Great Fighters
Won Middlweight Title when past his best put still made 2 defences.
Fought and beat some of his era's best.
Argubaly the best chin of all time.

Hopefully this will give you a better insight to how good Lamotta was. And you will learn your way of judging him as being overrated to his KO ratio is a bogus.

[ßringer]

I struggle to think of any fighter, past or present, whom I'd label "overrated".

Wanna know why?

Because I sit my ass on my couch and watch from a safe distance while they lace up the gloves and risk their health for my entertainment.

Hard for me to find something "overrated" in any of that.

[bklynboy]

I struggle to think of any fighter, past or present, whom I'd label "overrated".

Wanna know why?

Because I sit my ass on my couch and watch from a safe distance while they lace up the gloves and risk their health for my entertainment.

Hard for me to find something "overrated" in any of that.

I don't know if I completely agree with you but I understand the sentiment. I feel the same way when I hear boxers called cowards or punks. Whatever you may think of Mayweather, Cotto or whoever they are not cowards.

Regarding "overrated" well this is what sports fans do. We talk about the sport and say who is better than who and for what reason.