Why isnt Harry Wills....

[Southpaw16BF]

Talking of Harry Willis, Harry Willis once seen Harry Greb in action, as he was sitting at ringside, this was Greb past his prime. And Willis was speachless, as he cound't belive how good and fast Greb was........Greb took Willis breath away.

[Kid McCoy]

For the record, Joe Louis EVENTUALLY fought 3 of the 4 best Black Heavyweights of his time. Walcott, Charles, and Bivins. He should get a lot of credit for fighting Walcott and Charles (win or lose) because they were still top notch while he was heavily faded. By the time he got to Bivins, both were washed up. Ideally, he should have fought Bivins back in the early 40s. Now, I don't really even know who to call the 4th best. I think two Light Heavyweights who dabbled in the HW division were better than any pure Heavyweight. There names would be John Henry Lewis and Archie Moore. Consequently, Louis did happen to fight Lewis, even if it was after he was going blind... Anyways, I consider John Henry Lewis better than Archie Moore AS A HEAVYWEIGHT.

Be that as it may, the majority of Louis' opponents, like Dempsey's, were white. That doesn't mean Joe was ducking anyone though. If he was I'd be interested to know which quality black heavies he legitimately ducked. Same goes for Dempsey, who should he have fought?

Sure a few names can be picked out that he didn't face, but the same can also be done for virtually any other heavyweight and doesn't necessarily mean he was 'ducking' them.

Like I said, the only relevant black heavyweight Dempsey should have faced was Wills. Greb had a better argument for being avoided by Dempsey than those black fighters you listed.

[Southpaw16BF]

Be that as it may, the majority of Louis' opponents, like Dempsey's, were white. That doesn't mean Joe was ducking anyone though. If he was I'd be interested to know which quality black heavies he legitimately ducked. Same goes for Dempsey, who should he have fought?

Sure a few names can be picked out that he didn't face, but the same can also be done for virtually any other heavyweight and doesn't necessarily mean he was 'ducking' them.

Like I said, the only relevant black heavyweight Dempsey should have faced was Wills. Greb had a better argument for being avoided by Dempsey than those black fighters you listed.

Like I've said numerous times there is no dout Jack Demspey wanted nothing to do with Harry Greb, that is fact......

[Southpaw16BF]

And to be honest I don't think he wanted nothing to do with Wills, as after Greb had fought Flowers, Demspey said to Greb why do you give them negro's a shot at your title?

[Southpaw16BF]

At one time Dempsey's Mindset was he wanted to retire as the undefeated Champion, he never wanted to lose his Title in the ring, this being the reason he didn't want to fight the very best out there.

He wanted to take fights he knew he could win, Demspey thought if he retired champion, this would make him alot of money when he retires as he will be a icon, but if he lost the Title in the ring, and retired without being champion, he thought he wouldn't make as much money in later age or be as recongized...or aswell remembered.

This was according to Jack Kearns. So who knows how true it could be.

Do there is no taking away the fact that Demspey was one hell of a fighter, who took boxing to all new heights in mainstream and did beat some very good fighters in his time.

[Kid McCoy]

At one time Dempsey's Mindset was he wanted to retire as the undefeated Champion, he never wanted to lose his Title in the ring, this being the reason he didn't want to fight the very best out there.

He wanted to take fights he knew he could win, Demspey thought if he retired champion, this would make him alot of money when he retires as he will be a icon, but if he lost the Title in the ring, and retired without being champion, he thought he wouldn't make as much money in later age or be as recongized...or aswell remembered.

Do you have a source for Dempsey saying/thinking all that?

[Southpaw16BF]

Do you have a source for Dempsey saying/thinking all that?

The Fearless Harry Greb Book, written by Bill Paxton, which I've read numerous times. I don't think I would lie over something like that.....Kid

You should pick it up, it's one of the best reads, I've read and especailly if you have a interest for Harry Greb

[Kid McCoy]

The Fearless Harry Greb Book, written by Bill Paxton, which I've read numerous times. I don't think I would lie over something like that.....Kid

You should pick it up, it's one of the best reads, I've read and especailly if you have a interest for Harry Greb

Okay then, does Paxton have a source for Dempsey saying/thinking all that? Just curious.

[Southpaw16BF]

Okay then, does Paxton have a source for Dempsey saying/thinking all that? Just curious.

Yes, I can imagine so. Paxton reaserched years making the book, and is a very reliable source.

[Kid McCoy]

Yes, I can imagine so. Paxton reaserched years making the book, and is a very reliable source.

Does he cite any? I only ask because those are the kind of details on Dempsey's mindset and thought processes which surely only Jack himself or someone close to him could have provided.