jack dempsey is the most overrated.....

[GJC]

he milked his championship for all he got, he barely even fought at all, forget harry wills......

Think the draws and no decisions have already been covered far better than I could. Re the defences or lack of them, its true that Dempsey could have defended more and I for one would have loved to have seen him fight Wills. What you need to look at however is the era, in those days the HW championship was hard won and once held the champions made it work for them financially by doing tours exhibitions etc.
Before Dempsey's 3 year break before the Tunney fight he had defended his title 5 times in 4 years so with the 1st Tunney fight 6 times in 7 years. Whilst he wasn't overactive that rate stands comparison with the HW champions before him. Corbett once in 5 years, Fitz defend defend it until 2 years later, Jefferies 7 times in 5 years, Johnson 8 times in 7 years, Willard once in 4 years.
As for the Wills fight I believe it was scheduled to happen but it didn't happen more down to his promotor Rickard rather than Dempsey, what ever critcisms people have of Dempsey he was no coward.
Rickard had promoted the Jeffries v Johnson fight years before and remembering the racial troubles that had occured as a cause of that fight had no desire to promote another black v white fight.

[billionaire]

And you say due to him having 11 draws makes him weak, lots of ATG fighters have draws on there record etc Carlos Monzon(9), Archie Moore(11), Henry Armstrong(11) and many more great fighters have been held to draws over the years, but it dosen't make them ''weak''

dude archie moore and armstrong fought something like 200 times lol, monzon most draws came early in his career.....i never said dempsey wasnt good or had bad technique, just hes overrated especially his title reign...

[them_apples]

i used to get taught he was great but when you look at it he really isnt.....11 draws = weak

all he did was beat down big goofy white guys with 2 left feet....he gets respect because he was a lil guy and was exciting but other than that hes nothing special.......the one time he fought a black guy it was a bum journeyman who was 20-10 or something and it was a tie thats how bad he was.......

he milked his championship for all he got, he barely even fought at all, forget harry wills......

about the long count - if he was such a great stalker he wouldve put tunney on his ass again, instead he got put on his ass the next round........thats on jermaine taylors level

joe louis would smoke that fool

He was fun to watch but he doesn't crack my ATG hw list that's for sure.

[Southpaw16BF]

dude archie moore and armstrong fought something like 200 times lol, monzon most draws came early in his career.....i never said dempsey wasnt good or had bad technique, just hes overrated especially his title reign...

No you claimed

i used to get taught he was great but when you look at it he really isnt.....11 draws = weak

So this is the post you stated due to Dempsey having 11 draws makes him weak? And I stated lots of ATG fighters have had draws over the years.

And I also explained this was common in the old school era, here what I stated

They need to understand things such as fixed fights, carrying your opponet, newpaper decision's, draws etc, were all very common back in certain era's. And no offence to the person who started this thread, I don't think you no much about the history deparment in boxing, with all due respect.

[cotto16]

Thank you Stinger: You beat me too it I would also point out that Mike Tyson patterened himself on Jack Dempsey, considered Dempsey his hero. One would think with the worship that Tyson gets around here that people would be more respectful of the fighter Tyson admired over all others.

Poet

Never mind jack dempey or tyson when are you gonna give the klitchko's some respect

[StarshipTrooper]

Never mind jack dempey or tyson when are you gonna give the klitchko's some respect

When they earn it, which in Wlad's case means never since he's crap. Vitali already has some of my respect.....as a near great. He's not an ATG and will not garner the kind of respect I give ATGs. As a near-great he gets the respect from me his status merits. Wlad gets the kind of respect HIS status merits as well: Which is none.

Poet

[cotto16]

When they earn it, which in Wlad's case means never since he's crap. Vitali already has some of my respect.....as a near great. He's not an ATG and will not garner the kind of respect I give ATGs. As a near-great he gets the respect from me his status merits. Wlad gets the kind of respect HIS status merits as well: Which is none.

Poet

do ya ****in respect bobby czyz, is he good enough for your almighty respect!!!!!!!!

[StarshipTrooper]

do ya ****in respect bobby czyz, is he good enough for your almighty respect!!!!!!!!

I happen to like Bobby Czyz. He isn't an ATG so I don't give him the accolades I would an ATG, but if you're trying to get me to say something bad about him it ain't gonna happen.

Poet

[GJC]

One thing that confuses me about these forums is that a boxer will be bought up and before too long we move onto Mayweather RJJ or the Klitschko brothers. It does seem that some find it impossible to talk about boxing generally for very long before throwing them into the mix. I would not think to bring up Willie Pep into a discussion about the Klitschkos saying they are more ponderous than he was simply because it is apples and oranges.

[StarshipTrooper]

One thing that confuses me about these forums is that a boxer will be bought up and before too long we move onto Mayweather RJJ or the Klitschko brothers. It does seem that some find it impossible to talk about boxing generally for very long before throwing them into the mix. I would not think to bring up Willie Pep into a discussion about the Klitschkos saying they are more ponderous than he was simply because it is apples and oranges.

Unfortunately to some boxing IS all about the Klitchkos. Or Mayweather. Or Cotto. Or Margarito, Calzaghe, ect. ect. ect. In a way it seems to be a systemic tunnel vision among some posters, ie. if the conversation in no way involves their favorite fighter they have to try and steer the discussion to where it does. It's kind of a narcissism by proxy: The world revolves around whichever fighter they nuthug.

Poet