Prime Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. prime 'Battling' Nelson @ 135. Who takes it???

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I no nothing about Battling Nelson so I cannot comment.

But Nelson would have the advantage considering that it would be much harder to go from the rules that Floyd is used to the ones that Nelson is used then vice versa.

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Is this the guy you talkin about? Boxrec has a ****load of Battling Nelsons.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...8998&cat=boxer

Dude had 24 draws....

[talip bin osman]

You want to know why Floyd would KO Nelson????

Okay:

.Dramatic Speed Advantage
.Power advantage
.Skill advantage
.Accuracy
.Footwork

Floyd has trained with modern techniques and programs, things such as weights, better roadwork (including things like sprinting), better knowledge of nutrition, more evolved skills etc....

You obviously aren't a boxer if you dont realise these things. Put two fighters in the ring (or the street for that matter): One who has trained with modern techniques and is supremely skilled, and one who had absolutely zero skills(nelson) and who trained doing primitive things like lifting furniture, and who had no idea of proper nutrition- and thats another thing, floyd would be much naturally bigger and stronger than nelson, floyd had to eat well and train hard to weigh 135, plus he had a day to rehydrate. Nelson probably naturally weighed only a little bit more than that, if he trained properly today it is very possible he could have been a featherweight or even lower.

Look seriously, you have never boxed in your life or at least haven't been down to the gym for a while, you dont realise that dramatic skill and physical advantages are pretty much impossible to overcome, Nelson wouldnt last past the 4th-5th round....Toughness only gets you so far

Gans was a much better boxer than Nelson, and his ring smarts were good for his time, he would last a bit longer vs Floyd, but Floyd would just be so much quicker, stonger, more accurate....You have to realise this

hey Kostya44,

read what the TS was asking about... its a match-up against floyd and battling nelson using the old skool rules...

there shouldnt be any debate with u & jabbie man... using the present day rules, he said he will choose floyd jr!

but the TS was asking that the conditions in which they would fight under are really daunting even for a great fighter like floyd jr. man...

floyd can win, of course... but he should finish BN early... but floyd in his history @ 135 really aint a big finisher-- he may have accuracy as u have said, but power to finish a fight early @ 135? its doubtful, if we refer to his fights in this weight class...

if he cant finish BN early, i pressume the dane would have a field day raping floyd, specially in the latter rounds (rounds 40-50?)... how do u think his shoulder roll would hold in a long, gruelling 50 round fight against a tough old skool guy like BN?

[KostyaTszyu44]

hey Kostya44,

read what the TS was asking about... its a match-up against floyd and battling nelson using the old skool rules...

there shouldnt be any debate with u & jabbie man... using the present day rules, he said he will choose floyd jr!

but the TS was asking that the conditions in which they would fight under are really daunting even for a great fighter like floyd jr. man...

floyd can win, of course... but he should finish BN early... but floyd in his history @ 135 really aint a big finisher-- he may have accuracy as u have said, but power to finish a fight early @ 135? its doubtful, if we refer to his fights in this weight class...

if he cant finish BN early, i pressume the dane would have a field day raping floyd, specially in the latter rounds (rounds 40-50?)... how do u think his shoulder roll would hold in a long, gruelling 50 round fight against a tough old skool guy like BN?

nelson was naturally smaller than floyd and had no defence, floyd at 135 was a good puncher also

Floyd would not get hit clean once by nelson, not one clean shot, nelson would eat a barrage of shots and go down pretty quick

[JAB5239]

You want to know why Floyd would KO Nelson????

Okay:

.Dramatic Speed Advantage
.Power advantage
.Skill advantage
.Accuracy
.Footwork

Lets say all this is true.....so what? It means nothing. Roy Jones had all these attributes over Tarver and Johnson and got knocked out. Zab Judah had them all, over Baldomir and he still lost. So what do they mean?

Floyd has trained with modern techniques and programs, things such as weights, better roadwork (including things like sprinting), better knowledge of nutrition, more evolved skills etc....

Lol, than why sre fighters today gassed in the 12th round while fighters from earlier era's routinely went 15, 20, 30 or 40 rounds? So much for modern techniques and programs.

You obviously aren't a boxer if you dont realise these things. Put two fighters in the ring (or the street for that matter): One who has trained with modern techniques and is supremely skilled, and one who had absolutely zero skills(nelson) and who trained doing primitive things like lifting furniture, and who had no idea of proper nutrition- and thats another thing, floyd would be much naturally bigger and stronger than nelson, floyd had to eat well and train hard to weigh 135, plus he had a day to rehydrate. Nelson probably naturally weighed only a little bit more than that, if he trained properly today it is very possible he could have been a featherweight or even lower.

How is Floyd going to be bigger? They would both be weighing in the day of the fight. and again, you underestimate the skills and tougness from the fighters of that era. I realise you know very little of those early eras and it suits your argument to belittle great fighters you know nothing about, but come on.....its so transparent.

Look seriously, you have never boxed in your life or at least haven't been down to the gym for a while, you dont realise that dramatic skill and physical advantages are pretty much impossible to overcome, Nelson wouldnt last past the 4th-5th round....Toughness only gets you so far

This is the stupidest thing you've said yet. You do realise that Nelson's chin is regarded as one of the best ever, don't you? That he was only stopped 3 times in more than 130 fights?

You also realise Floyd has never been a big puncher, though he could turn it on at times.....right?

Gans was a much better boxer than Nelson, and his ring smarts were good for his time, he would last a bit longer vs Floyd, but Floyd would just be so much quicker, stonger, more accurate....You have to realise this

You have to realise how utterly uninformed you sound on this subject, but you don't. Its because you're close minded and unobjective.

[KostyaTszyu44]

You have to realise how utterly uninformed you sound on this subject, but you don't. Its because you're close minded and unobjective.

you are the uninformed one

fighters back then fought at a slow, slow pace, (im talking nelsons era) todays fighters throw way more punches and also move around the ring much more

floyd would just batter nelson senseless, in the street, in 2009, in 1906, whatever..... you just dont know enough about boxing or about anything really to understand this

i dont underestimate those fighters toughness, but tough aint enough

floyd would be bigger even if both weighed in on the day of the fight as they did back then, taller, longer arms and the fact he trained hard and dieted to get to 135 (while nelson probably weighed around that naturally) would mean he is the bigger, stronger man

nelson lead with hsi head, and would be in for a ridiculously brutal beating, even the referees of that day would be spurred to stop it, seeing as how nelson would probably just keep getting up- although he'd probably stay down eventually, he never fought anyone who hit as hard as floyd- and no im not saying floyd is a dynamite KO artist, its just that fighters then werent as explosive or strong, anyone with half a brain knows this

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Floyd would out box him for the first 15 or way more rounds, probably putting Nelson on the ground, but there's no putting away Battling Nelson. I'd say Nelson by KO.

[BattlingNelson]

You want to know why Floyd would KO Nelson????

Okay:

.Dramatic Speed Advantage
.Power advantage
.Skill advantage
.Accuracy
.Footwork

Floyd has trained with modern techniques and programs, things such as weights, better roadwork (including things like sprinting), better knowledge of nutrition, more evolved skills etc....

You obviously aren't a boxer if you dont realise these things. Put two fighters in the ring (or the street for that matter): One who has trained with modern techniques and is supremely skilled, and one who had absolutely zero skills(nelson) and who trained doing primitive things like lifting furniture, and who had no idea of proper nutrition- and thats another thing, floyd would be much naturally bigger and stronger than nelson, floyd had to eat well and train hard to weigh 135, plus he had a day to rehydrate. Nelson probably naturally weighed only a little bit more than that, if he trained properly today it is very possible he could have been a featherweight or even lower.

Look seriously, you have never boxed in your life or at least haven't been down to the gym for a while, you dont realise that dramatic skill and physical advantages are pretty much impossible to overcome, Nelson wouldnt last past the 4th-5th round....Toughness only gets you so far

Gans was a much better boxer than Nelson, and his ring smarts were good for his time, he would last a bit longer vs Floyd, but Floyd would just be so much quicker, stonger, more accurate....You have to realise this

Some info for you about the size:

Floyd is 5'8'' Nelson 5'7½'' according to boxrec. Since the weigh-in is at fighttime Floyd will not be bigger (meaning heavier) so by your logic this favors Nelson since he, according to you, was a 'natural' 135 pounder. So Floyd would definetely have stamina-issues as he would be severely drained. This weakens your argument quite a bit I think.

As for training Nelson stated 'overtraining' as the reason for his 40 round loss to Ad Wolgast. He said he came down in weight to soon for that fight. In other words he had to work out pretty good to reach the weight.

Your conclusions about modernday training is correct. Under todays rules that is. The rules for this particular fight favors a marathonrunner rather than a sprinter (or intervalrunner). In fact Nelson was so good of a runner that he wanted to participate in the 1908 or 1912 olympics in marathon.

As for who had the better power one can obviously only speculate. 2 things stand out: Mayweather was never a big puncher and Nelson carried his punch very well late in every fight.

[Grand Champ]

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Hey BattlingNelson I gotta ask you something.. Why is your great boxing idol BattlingNelson..? They were warriors back then but it must be really annoying being fan of a guy you've never seen fight but have to read old biased articles in order to figure out how and when he fought..

[BattlingNelson]

Hey BattlingNelson I gotta ask you something.. Why is your great boxing idol BattlingNelson..? They were warriors back then but it must be really annoying being fan of a guy you've never seen fight but have to read old biased articles in order to figure out how and when he fought..

First of all because he's my countryman and I read about him when I was a kid. Since then my fascination has grown about him and the other old timers. They were just so damn tough. Also the times in the historical perspective is interesting.

Battling Nelson was arguably the biggest pugilist star back in the day along with James Jeffries if not the biggest. The beatings he took and always coming back for more was as fascinating for fans back then as it is today.

Yeah not much footage is available so I enjoyed immensely when TheManchine posted Nelson-Moran which is the longest piece of a Nelson fight I ever saw.