The Lewis Era vs. The Klitschko Era

[Thunder Lips]

The problem with the Wlad and Vitali era is the horrible politics and injuries that prevent the more interesting match ups from being made. Wlad couldn't buy a unification fight, we had Oleg the eternal mandatory that is still causing trouble, and Valuev is sitting on a title and refusing to move. Haye talks and talks.... Byrd broke down. Chageav broke down. Brewster broke down. Brock broke down. Vitali broke down but came back and here we are.


Though flawed, Povetkin and Arreola are exciting high workrate fighters that will hopefully make passionate contenders for the KO brothers at the very least; assuming they don't eat themselves into oblivion like fellow sluggers Samuel Peter and Kirk Johnson.

[Lacrimosa]

I wrote this up and posted it in NSB, but I also want some....well, more informed answers than I'll be getting there. I look forward to the responses.

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But when it comes to "All Time Great" status, one must ask oneself: Would Lennox Lewis get the same amount of respect he gets today, if during his era, there were TWO Lennox Lewis' who fought in a similar style, dominated their opposition, but refused to face one another?

There are many reasons that Klitschkos aren`t respected as much as LL yet:

1 Except many guys equal in their level to Wladimir`s opposition, he have also fought two monsters in Tyson and Holyfield! And that gives him lots of credit, although Tyson was completely past his prime...

2 The inunderstandable losses of Wladimir to Purity, Sanders and Brewster... Vitali`s retirement on the stool in Byrd fight...

3 Lots of Eastern-European boxers, and few Western guys right now... Truly speaking, nobody gives a **** about them...

4 Klitschko`s era hasn`t ended yet, so they will probably get criticized until they both retire...

5 Neither of them defeated a lineal champion, so they will hardly be recognized as the competent champions soon...

6 They can`t unify the division (having four hands instead of two should make that easier)

7 They are fighting in the time, when some boxing sanctioning bodies (we won`t point at WBA...) suffer from some kind of very acute marasmus... As on May 30 we will see how Nikolai Valuev will defend his WBA heavyweight title and Ruslan Chagaev will defend his WBA heavyweight title... As there is such a mess, Klitshcko`s just can`t get credit as the true Champions of their era, because they are actually not the only champions out there...

8 Many think that one should face real punchers to get some respect. And while Lewis defeated Tua, Briggs and Tyson, Wladimir was absurdly defeated by Sanders...

9 Many find the Klitshko`s styles boring and unentertaining...

I think if at least one Klitshcko wants to get an ATG status, that should be Wladimir. He should wait until his brother retires, unify the division and be a lineal champion until he is at least 36-37.. In this case he might get a universally recognized ATG status...

P.S. IMO, those who think that Vitali is a better boxer or a fighter of two, and could defeat Wladimir, because he is an older brother or has a "frowner" frown, are completely wrong.

[j]

oh jeez. holyfield couldnt beat either brother and neither could tyson.

or any other fighter that lewis fought.

many buy into the hype of those fights.

also, lewis i find more boring than either brother. especially vitali who attacks almost constantly.

if anyone disses the klitschkos, u have ti diss lewis too. and a lineal title doesnt mean ****. a boxer is a boxer. greatness is only determined by numbers by nerds who dont fight.

people here who do box usually have a more relaxed and open idea when it comes to ranking boxers and comparing them.

[StarshipTrooper]

P.S. IMO, those who think that Vitali is a better boxer or a fighter of two, and could defeat Wladimir, because he is an older brother or has a "frowner" frown, are completely wrong.

Actually people think Vitali would beat Wlad is because he takes a better punch, is tougher, generates more offense, and doesn't gas out as fast. This is the pros, not the amatuers: Chin and toughness count for a lot more than Wlad's slicker technique.


Poet

[Lacrimosa]

Actually people think Vitali would beat Wlad is because he takes a better punch, is tougher, generates more offense, and doesn't gas out as fast. This is the pros, not the amatuers: Chin and toughness count for a lot more than Wlad's slicker technique.


Poet

Even here we have different points of view

IMO, the only thing in which Vitali is better is his toughness. He really has a very good chin and can take a punch...

But, he is slower.

Wladimir hits harder.

Vitali is actually gasing out quicker. He does right now and he did when was younger...

I wouldn`t say that Vitali is very "offensive". His workrate is pretty small, only his power and accuracy makes it really effective...

Wladimir can be both very calm and offensive. Just compare the fights with Rahman and Ibragimov with the Thompson fight... In the last one he was attacking for the whole eleve rounds...

[StarshipTrooper]

Even here we have different points of view

IMO, the only thing in which Vitali is better is his toughness. He really has a very good chin and can take a punch...

But, he is slower.

Wladimir hits harder.

Vitali is actually gasing out quicker. He does right now and he did when was younger...

I wouldn`t say that Vitali is very "offensive". His workrate is pretty small, only his power and accuracy makes it really effective...

Wladimir can be both very calm and offensive. Just compare the fights with Rahman and Ibragimov with the Thompson fight... In the last one he was attacking for the whole eleve rounds...

Hmmm. I don't seem to recall Vitali gassing out against Brewster.....or losing ANY fight because he gassed out as Wlad has. Wladimir is superior ONLY in an amatuer fight. Neither fighters work rate is anything to speak of BUT Vitali is more inclined to use power punches than Wlad is which counts for more in the pros. As for Wlad being the harder puncher.....I take it you've been clocked by both and can attest to this? The truth is Euros in general have an amatuer mentality when it comes to boxing and haven't figured out yet that the pros are an entirely different game.

Poet

[portuge puncher]

oh jeez. holyfield couldnt beat either brother and neither could tyson.

or any other fighter that lewis fought.

many buy into the hype of those fights.

also, lewis i find more boring than either brother. especially vitali who attacks almost constantly.

if anyone disses the klitschkos, u have ti diss lewis too. and a lineal title doesnt mean ****. a boxer is a boxer. greatness is only determined by numbers by nerds who dont fight.

people here who do box usually have a more relaxed and open idea when it comes to ranking boxers and comparing them.

are you sirius?

lennox resume: tua, holyfield, tyson, morrison, mercer, ruddock, bruno, golota, and VITALI.

LL ****s all over the Kbros, and i belive a prime tyson could beat them, maybe even mercer or tua.

[StarshipTrooper]

are you sirius?

lennox resume: tua, holyfield, tyson, morrison, mercer, ruddock, bruno, golota, and VITALI.

LL ****s all over the Kbros, and i belive a prime tyson could beat them, maybe even mercer or tua.

Well, depends on what shape Tua or Mercer showed up in. Unfortunately neither had a good track record for showing up for fights in-shape. Other than that, yeah: Prime Lewis, Holyfield, or Tyson sparks the Klitschkos.

Poet

[NakiFan]

If you take a look at the guys on Lewis resume, I think that if Wlad and Vitali fought all those guys they would have horrible records, maybe Vitali would be ok, but Wlad? getting in with guys like Morrison, Tua, Bruno,prime rahman. etc all of whom could spark him with one punch.

[GJC]

Actually people think Vitali would beat Wlad is because he takes a better punch, is tougher, generates more offense, and doesn't gas out as fast. This is the pros, not the amatuers: Chin and toughness count for a lot more than Wlad's slicker technique.


Poet

Isn't this a little like 2 bald men arguing over a comb or which of the ****e girls was the better singer?