Who Can Handle Vitali in the Historical Pantheon?

[ßringer]

Kudos to you guys.

This seems like a nice place to get comfy in.

LOL @ "What's your problem with Evander!?!".

[Boogie Nights]

Most of the NSB posters don't stand a chance against us LOL! I've slapped a few around in my time. I go over there to post once in a while too. Some of them hate me for it.

Poet

the only thing you ever slapped in your life was your tiny little 2 inch worm when you were applying vaseline on it.

[StarshipTrooper]

Kudos to you guys.

This seems like a nice place to get comfy in.

LOL @ "What's your problem with Evander!?!".

Yeah, LRR has issues with lots of fighters mostly those of the wrong pigmentation. He's a joke in my book and I ignored him long ago.

Poet

[ßringer]

Yeah, LRR has issues with lots of fighters mostly those of the wrong pigmentation. He's a joke in my book and I ignored him long ago.

Poet

I haven't see many posts by him, but I already know he clearly doesn't like Ali very much.

[RODHOOK]

Ali hands down speed,brains,stamina would do the trick and quite easily i will add.
Big george before the ali fight would scare vitali ****less,big ko.
Lewis beat him once and would have again.
One might laugh but gerry cooney had the size and strength.it would be a left hook to the head and body that would paralize the giant.
Possibly larry holmes picking him apart with jabs,again stamina to go 15
rounds would make a difference.a slim chance for ernie shavers to land a right hand i've never seen anyone yet who hit harder
alot of other guys on your list were more talented but lacked the size.

[StarshipTrooper]

I haven't see many posts by him, but I already know he clearly doesn't like Ali very much.

Yeah, his life mission seems to be to discredit Ali and recently he's added Jack Johnson to his hit list.

Poet

[LondonRingRules]

Yeah, his life mission seems to be to discredit Ali and recently he's added Jack Johnson to his hit list.

Poet

** My, my, BS's resident 8th grade poet has been busy as a sting like a bee with his new little 6th grade float like a butterfly friend doing the monumental of task if ignoring me with his umpteenth post about me.

Brilliant stuff young lads, gots to raise the official Boxing Scene flag in your honour........:bsflag

[Chase8400]

Maybe some remedial English lessons may help your lack of comprehension to the implications of your own posts. Just take your *****-slapping and move on.

Poet

Lol, nice goin basically repeating myself and acting as if you have some sense. Good try however, I see you didn't take your owning very well.

Try doing as I asked and proving that Lennox was not his best when he fought Vitali. That's right you can't because it CANNOT be proven because it's opinion depending on who you ask at any givin' time. You are not comprehending the point, yet you have the nerve to tell me I need english lessons.Lol. I know it's hard being schooled by a 29 year old with you being supposedly older and wiser @ 40, but just as some fighters hit their primes earlier than others,unlike B-hop, I too have surpassed your intelligence a long time ago. Blame it on nature and chalk this up to missfortune of speaking your ignorance in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Chase>I'm original, I needed this laugh too. Peace

[paul750]

No doubt Klitschko is tough to beat. Here's the thing though: if you're an employer going over people's resumes, you're going to look for who's best qualified and who is experienced. There are no could haves, should haves or capable ofs. Just facts. There is no possible way of proving who Vitali would beat, and who he wouldn't. What the pro Vitali people need to understand is the accusation of Vitali not proving himself is legitimate. The Lewis fight can be discussed until we're all pensioners, but the fact is Klitschko's best 'win' is a loss. A loss against a very good champion, but a champion about to retire. It just doesn't look THAT impressive when talking about his credentials and how he'd fare against these past champions.

In some ways it's actually worse that he fought Lewis. If he hadn't have some people would have more to work with. As it stands they look rather foolish as a bad version of Lewis still came away with a win against a prime Klitschko. At least with the likes of Ibeabuchi, we can sit and wonder what may have been. But with Klitschko there was that chance, and it wasn't taken.

[LondonRingRules]

No doubt Klitschko is tough to beat. Here's the thing though: if you're an employer going over people's resumes, you're going to look for who's best qualified and who is experienced. There are no could haves, should haves or capable ofs. Just facts. There is no possible way of proving who Vitali would beat, and who he wouldn't. What the pro Vitali people need to understand is the accusation of Vitali not proving himself is legitimate. The Lewis fight can be discussed until we're all pensioners, but the fact is Klitschko's best 'win' is a loss. A loss against a very good champion, but a champion about to retire. It just doesn't look THAT impressive when talking about his credentials and how he'd fare against these past champions.

** Vitali lost a great fight against a more experienced champ coming off the best two fights of his career and widely acclaimed as one of the best ever. Lewis had no timetable of retirement and seemingly could've coasted for some time, except that Vitali was his mandatory.

Why would Lewis retire in advance of the WBC threatening him with strippage knowing that would make him the only champion in history to give up all 3 belts rather than face his mandatory? Makes it appear that Lewis arguably is finally driven by Vitali into retirement.

Vitali needs to be compared to his era, of which Lewis ruled early in his career. Remember when both the Klitschkos had difficulty securing fights as did Byrd, the top 3 challengers to Lewis? Remember, Lewis sold WBA and then IBF to King rather than face Byrd and Ruiz. Ruiz the two time WBA champ and still contending.

OK, Lewis won the fight fair and square, but his mistake was in telling Vitali he would rematch him and then make him run thru a public series of hoops with medical staff and delay the thing so long the WBC had to give him a deadline.

In comparing Vitali to Lewis, he lacks the two top names on Lewis record, Holy and Tyson. Only Holy was anything near prime. Tyson was a shell and everyone knew if Lewis could withstand the first few rounds it was going to be an easy fight. Vitali beats the usual line of of contenders, the only difference in that they tend to be much larger than other era contender types. The only two fighters he loses to are two era finest, Byrd and Lewis. Byrd is uninterested in the rematch, rightfully so remembering he was being shut out on the cards. Hmmmm, ring a bell here?

Has there ever been a fighter in history who so thoroughly dominated the scoring with dominant offense and defense and has one of the highest punch connect % in history, if not the best? Plus holds the KO% record? Has there ever been a fighter who took off four years and comes back straight away to put on a more dominant performance against a top prime era contender and champion in Peter?

What Vitali lacks, he more than makes up. There is an obvious racism in the support and the criticism of both the Klitschkos. Wlad has a record more similar to Lewis and recieves worse criticism. Vitali never lost to a McCall or a Rahman. Even the supposedly glass chinned Wlad was never one punched like that.

Folks are upset because the whole of the world has changed in just a decade or so. After 100+ yrs of domination, Americans can barely field contenders in any division save a few exceptions, and it's worse in the heavyweight division. Not a single American in the Ring top 10. It's gotten so bad that lately, non Americans are dropping out of the Ring ratings to be replaced by other non Americans!

I've heard every excuse in the books save the bottom line. Americans have lost it and other countries have picked it up. It is what it is, and remember, there's 3 billion Asians and close to a billion Africans who are locked out of boxing because of culture and the politics of development.

Vitali's best win is his career, and at age 37, most would pick him to beat any 37 yr old heavy in history. Even Big George was just wakening from hibernation at age 37. Eventually Vitali gets beat again and eventually he retires, but the pity is that too many of you have missed out enjoying what will go down as a storied heavy era, one the Kbros seized from King much like Tyson did.

Maybe not as exciting as Tyson, but nobody ever was.