Joe Gans

[andrewcuff]

I'm just watching some Joe Gans footage on YouTube (vs Kid Herman). I think Old-Skool fighters often get underrated by our generation of boxing fans (I'm 21) for being "crude" and lacking skills, but Gans was a fantastic fighter. Great speed and incredible defensively.

Thoughts?

[them_apples]

I'm just watching some Joe Gans footage on YouTube (vs Kid Herman). I think Old-Skool fighters often get underrated by our generation of boxing fans (I'm 21) for being "crude" and lacking skills, but Gans was a fantastic fighter. Great speed and incredible defensively.

Thoughts?

Yea it generally happens both ways, the younger generation discredits the older fighters, the older generation always thinks the older fighter from their era is better.

Just need to find a medium, I try to envision them in color film and in the same ring etc etc to get a better picture, I also try to consider size.

Many people try to do match ups based on who the fighter beat in his era, but you have to do a little more than that to get an accurate picture.

an example would be SRR vs Roy Jones Jr.

Ray Robinson has a great resume, p4p he get's rated very high. Nobody in his era however was anything remotely close to Roy Jones, so it becomes very difficult to choose a victor.

then you have to add physical attributes, chin, speed, power, re cooperation...it's just really all speculating and becomes very hard.

[JAB5239]

I'm just watching some Joe Gans footage on YouTube (vs Kid Herman). I think Old-Skool fighters often get underrated by our generation of boxing fans (I'm 21) for being "crude" and lacking skills, but Gans was a fantastic fighter. Great speed and incredible defensively.

Thoughts?

There were many great fighters back then who were just as talented if not more than a lot of great fighters in history. Dixon, Blackburn, Leonard, Canzoneri and so on. It very difficult to distinguish just how good they were on the film of that era, but by evey account they were extrodonairy. There is no reason not to believe these guys wouldn't not only be competitive in any era, but top fighters.

[MarkScott]

Gans was grrrreat! please read my book on the Old Master:

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Gans-Biogr...7747719&sr=1-1

[Southpaw16BF]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=272119

[CCobra]

Joe Gans was a magnificent fighter who I fully believe could hold his own in any era of Boxing. He was flawless with his technique and was such a well rounded Boxer. He really does justify being called 'The Old Master'. It is such a shame that the quality of the footage available isn't of the highest quality. But I urge anybody who hasn't yet, to head over to any available video sharing site and watch some footage of Gans. He was a true master of the sport.

[daniels_co]

Gans was rated as the greatest lightweight boxer of all time by boxing historian and Ring Magazine founder, Nat Fleischer and was known as the "Old Master". He fought from 1891 to 1909.

Gans started boxing professionally about 1891 in Baltimore. In 1900, Gans quit with an eye cut in the twelfth round of the world lightweight title bout against champion Frank Erne. In their rematch two years later, Gans knocked Erne out in one round to capture the lightweight title.

Gans reigned as champion from 1902 to 1908. In an important title defense he defeated the "Durable Dane", Oscar "Battling" Nelson on a foul in 42 rounds on September 3, 1906 in Goldfield, Nevada by promoter Tex Rickard. When they fought again two years later Gans lost by a knockout. He died in August 1910, of tuberculosis and is buried in Mount Auburn Cemetery in Baltimore. His monument is maintained by the IBC (International Boxing Commission) and sits just to the left of the main entrance of the cemetery. Gans is generally considered to be one of the greatest boxers of all time, pound-for-pound.



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[Southpaw16BF]

Ray Robinson has a great resume, p4p he get's rated very high. Nobody in his era however was anything remotely close to Roy Jones, so it becomes very difficult to choose a victor.

I dont agree with this statement one bit. No one was remotley close to Roy Jones in Ray Robinson's era? What, you do realize Robinson fought the great Kid Gavilan and Jake Lamota, two fighters who are equally in the same class as Jones and viewed by many as both being better fighters than Jones.

[GJC]

Yea it generally happens both ways, the younger generation discredits the older fighters, the older generation always thinks the older fighter from their era is better.

100% agree. As an old fart I do hopefully appreciate the newer generation and realise that the best of them would have been great fighters in an earlier era and vice versa.
Joe Gans fully deserves his place in the highest reaches of ATG's

[Obama]

Gans makes my top 5 p4p.