10 greatest title reigns

[TheGreatA]

Trolling again.

It's not any different from you saying that Joe Louis can't be that great for KO'ing Billy Conn, a light heavyweight, in the 13th round.

Even though many other great heavyweights have had even bigger trouble with light heavyweights, sometimes losing to them.

He didn't get the job done like the greatest Heavyweight ever would, or one with the greatest title reign ever would do.

I guess he should just KO everybody in 90 seconds then. You do know that not even Mike Tyson could do that? Certainly not Muhammad Ali who had many more close fights with even worse fighters than Conn.

There are many fools who believe Louis deserves to be called both. Now, do you really have a problem with me having a major problem with this, mate?

I have a problem with your arguments, that's all. I don't have a problem with you thinking otherwise.

I actually don't think Louis was the greatest heavyweight ever but I do think he had the greatest title reign ever.

Nothing compared to Conn or Spinks.

Perhaps not as great but great nonetheless.

No, it's a major screw like Louis'. And I never said Louis is a bum in any way. You are implying this while you don't realise that I don't believe nonsense like Louis having the greatest title reign ever or bein the best Heavyweight ever.

That just shows what a piece of crap era it was, that a Light Heavyweight could beat the top heavyweights. And yes the 80s were a crappy era too. Just not nearly as bad as Louis'.

A former middleweight was good enough to reign in the 60's (Jimmy Ellis).
A former LHW was good enough to beat the best HW in the 80's (Michael Spinks).
A former LHW was good enough to twice dominate the HW champion in the 20's (Gene Tunney).
A former amateur middleweight and light heavyweight contender was good enough to reign in the 50's (Floyd Patterson).
A former LHW was good enough to win a decision over the HW champion in the 90's (Michael Moorer).
A former amateur light middleweight was good enough to reign as title holder in this decade (Chris Byrd).

I could go on.

Either that's true or Schmeling became shot and old overnight.

He wasn't shot in his next fight when he KO'd the European champion in one round.

Which is one of the reasons why Tyson is hated more than any other fighter.

Now why is Louis never called out on his flaws? Why is it almost a sin to do that? Clowns like Poet would rather insult their mothers instead of critisizing Joe Louis.

He is criticized a lot, mostly by new fans of boxing.

[JAB5239]

You said so mate.

Really? Quote it then, my exact words.

Don't get mad, jabbie.

Mad, lol! Im loving this. You make me look like a genius every time you respond.

And yet when he got older and older he almost beat a prime Holyfield and dominated Ray Mercer. How convenient that you left this out, jabbie.

I forget, did he actuallt beat Holyfield? And Mercer....he was tough but limited. Want proof? Francesco Damiani was taking him to school befor getting caught with a shot and having his nose rearranged. Mercer was solid, but doesn't match up with any all time greats as far as skill or legacy.

And yet they also made Louis look like a fookin fool in the ring. If Louis' title reign was so great these things should have never happened.

And who won? The truest sign of greatness is overcoming adversity.

I'm glad I put some sense into you Jabbie. You are now embarassed to ever say Louis had the greatest title reign of all time, ever again.

Lol!! Once again, quote where I ever said that.

Again with your HOF crap. This is what you oldies always clinch to, because you know they're no ATGs.
And let me say this, Douglass fought like an ATG that night. You know this.

How Douglas fought is irellevant, its how Tyson fought and was unable to overcome adversity that night or any other night he was stood up to.

Yeah I know, nobody who ever voted any of those guys knew **** about boxing. Historians of the sport don't know **** either. You however have you finger on the pulse and have magicly managed to accrue more historical knowledge than has ever been known before, right?

Conn, Walcott, Schmeling. And if yuo want to make excuses that he wasn't in his prime in these fights, then that means Louis never met the best in his prime.

How many times did Conn beat Louis? Zero. Walcott? Zero. Schmeling? Once, only to be destroyed in the rematch in one of the most brutal and one sided displays in history. Get a clue, would ya?

Everything I said is true, mate.

Yeah we all know. Thats why everybody is in agreement with you, right?

Yes you must be a busy man as a **********. I see them working overnight too so it'll take a while to see your next post.

Ahh, the ole internet insult. The last resort of a beaten and humiliated poster. I love it!!

[JAB5239]

PS. I think it's pretty revealing when as intelligent and mild a mannered poster as Jab can be pushed to irritation by troll such as Slime Ball.

Poet[/COLOR]

Im not irritated my friend. In fact Im amused by his ignorance and inability to look at boxing history objectively. Im sure you noticed he had no answers to the fighter I said who's era's were not as respectively good as Louis'. Somebody get him some rea big ses d red rubber ball to put on his nose. If he's going to act like a clown he should look the part too.

[JAB5239]

it's not any different from you saying that joe louis can't be that great for ko'ing billy conn, a light heavyweight, in the 13th round.

Even though many other great heavyweights have had even bigger trouble with light heavyweights, sometimes losing to them.



I guess he should just ko everybody in 90 seconds then. You do know that not even mike tyson could do that? Certainly not muhammad ali who had many more close fights with even worse fighters than conn.



I have a problem with your arguments, that's all. I don't have a problem with you thinking otherwise.

I actually don't think louis was the greatest heavyweight ever but i do think he had the greatest title reign ever.



Perhaps not as great but great nonetheless.





A former middleweight was good enough to reign in the 60's (jimmy ellis).
A former lhw was good enough to beat the best hw in the 80's (michael spinks).
A former lhw was good enough to twice dominate the hw champion in the 20's (gene tunney).
A former amateur middleweight and light heavyweight contender was good enough to reign in the 50's (floyd patterson).
A former lhw was good enough to win a decision over the hw champion in the 90's (michael moorer).
A former amateur light middleweight was good enough to reign as title holder in this decade (chris byrd).

I could go on.



He wasn't shot in his next fight when he ko'd the european champion in one round.



He is criticized a lot, mostly by new fans of boxing.

o-w-n-e-d!!!

[JAB5239]

I think Marciano had a much better title reign than Louis. Liston did too.

Heh, heh heh, do tell.

[StarshipTrooper]

Im not irritated my friend. In fact Im amused by his ignorance and inability to look at boxing history objectively. Im sure you noticed he had no answers to the fighter I said who's era's were not as respectively good as Louis'. Somebody get him some rea big ses d red rubber ball to put on his nose. If he's going to act like a clown he should look the part too.

Yeah, he thinks he's getting under our skin. I had to point out to him that I slap ignoramouses like him around for ****s and giggles. I'm convinced he's an alt though.

o-w-n-e-d!!!

He's been owned on this thread more times than a 30 year old Yugo but keeps coming back for more. Sad. God could come down and prove the bastard's wrong (Manchine come close!) and he'd STILL call the almighty a liar.

Poet

[MarkScott]

I agree with the member who asked about Joe Gans--incredible reign
I wrote a book about it:

http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Gans-Biography-American-Champion/dp/0786439947/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237747719&sr=1-1

[Slimey Limey]

It's not any different from you saying that Joe Louis can't be that great for KO'ing Billy Conn, a light heavyweight, in the 13th round.

Even though many other great heavyweights have had even bigger trouble with light heavyweights, sometimes losing to them.

And every time that has happened, those heavyweights are critisized heavily and rightfully so. Louis on the other hand has too many man lovers who wouldn't dare to acknowledge anything negative about him.

And name those other fighters struggling with Light Heavyweights other than Louis and Holmes.
A great Heavyweight will beat the **** out of a Light Heavyweight. Tyson-Spinks, Klitschko-Byrd etc.

I guess he should just KO everybody in 90 seconds then. You do know that not even Mike Tyson could do that? Certainly not Muhammad Ali who had many more close fights with even worse fighters than Conn.

Never said he'd have to KO everybody in 90 seconds mate. If he was the greatest HW and also had the greatest title reign ever, he wouldn't have struggled so much with a Light Heavyweight like Conman, or get a gift decision against Walcott, or get knocked down by so many ****kicking bums.

I actually don't think Louis was the greatest heavyweight ever but I do think he had the greatest title reign ever.

Then you belong in the same group as Poet and Jabbie. The Joe Louis cornholelickers.

A former middleweight was good enough to reign in the 60's (Jimmy Ellis).
A former LHW was good enough to beat the best HW in the 80's (Michael Spinks).
A former LHW was good enough to twice dominate the HW champion in the 20's (Gene Tunney).
A former amateur middleweight and light heavyweight contender was good enough to reign in the 50's (Floyd Patterson).
A former LHW was good enough to win a decision over the HW champion in the 90's (Michael Moorer).
A former amateur light middleweight was good enough to reign as title holder in this decade (Chris Byrd).

1-Reigned? Strong words for a guy that was nearly decapitated in the first round against a real heavyweight.
2-Holmes is rightfully critisized for losing to Spinks. His title reign sucks almost as much as Louis'. But that's for another thread.
3-Dempsey had been inactive for years playing in movies. Past prime and shot.
4-Patterson was no god damn Light Heavyweight. And you know what happened when he faced a certain big Heavyweight twice.
5-Again not a Light Heavyweight.
6-This decade is almost as ****ty as Louis'.

Good try again mate. But you fail yet again.

He is criticized a lot, mostly by new fans of boxing

Why not by the old lads like you? Do you guys really believe there is not a single flaw about Louis?

[Slimey Limey]

Really? Quote it then, my exact words.

Very well then. It's here

I said it

You're not worth the time mate. You know you said it.

Mad, lol! Im loving this. You make me look like a genius every time you respond.

Really mate? This is what a genius looks like to you?

o-w-n-e-d!!!

I forget, did he actuallt beat Holyfield? And Mercer....he was tough but limited. Want proof? Francesco Damiani was taking him to school befor getting caught with a shot and having his nose rearranged. Mercer was solid, but doesn't match up with any all time greats as far as skill or legacy

He almost beat PRIME Holyfield and some believe he won. That's not something anyone can do against a prime Holyfield, especially not an "old shot Holmes" years AFTER getting destroyed by Tyson.

How convenient that you left this out, Jabbie. It's pretty difficult to get this through your thick skull, innit?

And I never said Mercer was an ATG. But he was very solid. He alone would mutilate almost everybody in Louis' Bum of the month pathetic padded title reign.

And who won? The truest sign of greatness is overcoming adversity.

Overcoming adversity against a Frazier or Foreman or Bowe is respectable. Getting spanked by a Light Heavyweight for over 10 rounds aint.

Lol!! Once again, quote where I ever said that.

Are you affraid to admit it now? I'm glad I put some sence into you then. I'm sure that if I wasn't around you'd joing the circle jerk and always claim Louis' title reign was the best.
Now, before you moan again about where you said it and becoming even more paranoid, why won't you tell us how you'd rate the Bum of the month club title reign?

How Douglas fought is irellevant, its how Tyson fought and was unable to overcome adversity that night or any other night he was stood up to.

How convenient that you left out the part where while Tyson was gettin the **** beaten out of him, he KNOCKED DOUGLASS DOWN FOR OVER 10 SECONDS. There you go, I just shattered this comment.

Yeah I know, nobody who ever voted any of those guys knew **** about boxing. Historians of the sport don't know **** either. You however have you finger on the pulse and have magicly managed to accrue more historical knowledge than has ever been known before, right?

More crying.

How many times did Conn beat Louis? Zero.

He was on his way, and that's bad enough. Tell me, if a young monster George Foreman was getting destroyed by Roy Jones for 14 rounds, but THEN he KO'd roy in the last round, are you not going to critisize Foreman even though he won?

Walcott? Zero.

Watch the fight. Everyone knows Walcott was robbed.

Schmeling? Once

And what a brutal, comprehensive beating it was that Louis took. I didn't see Ali or Lewis get this kind of long spanking when they reached their prime.

Yeah we all know. Thats why everybody is in agreement with you, right?

That's ok, I wouldn't expect the Joe Louis cornhole lickers to agree with me.

Ahh, the ole internet insult. The last resort of a beaten and humiliated poster. I love it!!

Oh, so Jabbie, does this mean that YOU are beaten and humiliated? Look here

Somebody get him some rea big ses d red rubber ball to put on his nose. If he's going to act like a clown he should look the part too.

o-w-n-e-d!!!

Im not irritated my friend. In fact Im amused by his ignorance and inability to look at boxing history objectively. Im sure you noticed he had no answers to the fighter I said who's era's were not as respectively good as Louis'. Somebody get him some rea big ses d red rubber ball to put on his nose. If he's going to act like a clown he should look the part too.

I answered every silly little question you posed. It's you who is always avoiding questions by not responding at all or adding something immature like "lololol" which already shows you lost.

Yeah, he thinks he's getting under our skin. I had to point out to him that I slap ignoramouses like him around for ****s and giggles. I'm convinced he's an alt though.

He's been owned on this thread more times than a 30 year old Yugo but keeps coming back for more. Sad. God could come down and prove the bastard's wrong (Manchine come close!) and he'd STILL call the almighty a liar.

Poet

Very cute circle jerk there lads. And you're all supposed to be some know it all old farts who are boxing historians? I think you're the clowns, mates. Don't get mad.

[TheGreatA]

And name those other fighters struggling with Light Heavyweights other than Louis and Holmes.
A great Heavyweight will beat the **** out of a Light Heavyweight. Tyson-Spinks, Klitschko-Byrd etc.

Ali struggled with many smaller men. He went to a close decision against a former LHW contender (not champion) Doug Jones in a fight which many thought he had lost.

George Foreman won a close decision over Gregorio Peralta, a former unsuccessful light heavyweight title challenger.

Ken Norton was knocked out by JL Garcia, a bloated light heavyweight.

Holyfield, as I said, lost a decision to Michael Moorer and later by TKO to overweight middleweight James Toney (admittedly long past his prime).

Rocky Marciano won a close decision over former LHW Ezzard Charles and was arguably given a gift against LHW journeyman 'Tiger' Ted Lowry.

Sonny Liston lost a SD and was knocked down in the rematch against LHW contender Marty Marshall.

1-Reigned? Strong words for a guy that was nearly decapitated in the first round against a real heavyweight.

Ellis in his prime held the WBA title and beat Bonavena, Quarry, Patterson, Chuvalo, Martin, some of the divisions best at the time. I'd say he did pretty well for a former fringe middleweight contender and a past prime loss to Shavers in which he was pummeling Earnie until getting caught with an uppercut (as Shavers was holding his neck) does little to diminish that.

3-Dempsey had been inactive for years playing in movies. Past prime and shot.

Hardly shot since he flattened Sharkey with one punch in between the two fights (for which he was just over 30 years old). Tunney, light heavyweight or not, was probably the most accomplished heavyweight Dempsey ever faced with wins over former Dempsey title challengers, despite being a light heavy.

4-Patterson was no god damn Light Heavyweight. And you know what happened when he faced a certain big Heavyweight twice.

Patterson boxed as a middleweight in the amateurs and started his pro career at 165 lbs. In his prime he weighed barely over 180 lbs and trained hard to get even that big.

He was KO'd by Liston (Liston's best win) but he also had wins over 210 lbers such as Chuvalo and Bonavena while years past his prime.

5-Again not a Light Heavyweight.

Michael Moorer was the WBO light heavyweight champion for 3 years.