10 greatest title reigns

[JAB5239]

When you're done with Poet's cornhole maybe you can start actually answering my posts instead of ducking me as usual mate.

Duck you? You've got 67 posts, I don't even know you unless you're an alt. And If I haven't answered your questions to your satisfaction its because your posts haven't been worth responding to.

I already did.

You already did what?

And name me which eras were worse than that of Louis', and which fighters wouldn't have had so many defences with a bum of the month club. The real Bottom line is that Tysons title reign(Tucker, Williams, Spinks, Thomas, Holmes, Tubbs, Biggs, Bruno)

You got two hall of famers and one was well past his best. The other guys were decent, but nothing to write home about.

Louis however sports 6 hall of famers he beat AS champion....Braddock, Farr, Lewis, Schmeling, Conn and Walcott. He also has 6 other HOF'ers during his career....Charles, Baer, Sharkey, Walcott and Carnera. Its not even close.

You want another era? Marciano' reign. Another one? Holmes. Not enough? Dempsey. More? Johnson. Still want more? Jeffries, Holyfield, Patterson, Bowe, Charles. Please, don't insult me with your lack of knowledge. Please, pick any of these era's one by one and I will show any objective poster beyond a shaddow of a doubt why Louis' was better. And before you even say it, spare me with who you think would of beat who. I deal with facts, not guesswork.

and Lewis (Tua, Tyson, Grant, Holyfield, Briggs, Golota) were much better. Ali's too.

I've always admired Lewis' resume. Besides who you've named, you can add Rahman, Mercer, Ruddock, Klitschko and Morrison. He basicly cleaned out his era with the exception of Bowe, and we know what happened there.

[Slimey Limey]

I've always admired Lewis' resume. Besides who you've named, you can add Rahman, Mercer, Ruddock, Klitschko and Morrison. He basicly cleaned out his era with the exception of Bowe, and we know what happened there.

Those weren't in his title reign. Good job showing what a boxing historian you are Jabbie. And yes, you should admire Lewis' title reign as much as you admire that hypocrite Poets cornhole because that's all you've been doing in this thread mate.

Duck you? You've got 67 posts, I don't even know you unless you're an alt. And If I haven't answered your questions to your satisfaction its because your posts haven't been worth responding to.

I have to know you and have a lot of posts or you won't debate? This is why you're ducking my posts. You're looking for excuses not to respond to my posts because you know they're true and they hurt you and your clone hypocritical Poet.

You got two hall of famers and one was well past his best. The other guys were decent, but nothing to write home about.

The one past his best was still a very live opponent. He almost beat a prime Holyfield and easily dismantled Mercer. This was all after he was ****d by Tyson.
And I need you to get off the crackpipe mate. You don't even elaborate and do what you do best, ducking.

Louis however sports 6 hall of famers he beat AS champion....Braddock, Farr, Lewis, Schmeling, Conn and Walcott.

Braddock often reffered to as one of THE worst champions ever. Farr and Lewis were as you say "nothing decent or to write home about".

Now is the good part. Conn, Walcott and Schmeling all beat Louis according to most people. Conn a freaking ligt heavyweight but a great one, made Louis look like nothing before getting caught. WHat did Tyson do with a great Light Heavyweight? 90 seconds mate.
Walcott was robbed against Louis. He also made him look like nothing. Schmeling was past his best and destroyed Louis before, so that W is almost on par with Tyson-Holmes.

Fooking awesome great title reign innit? Still think this crapfest was THE greatest title reign ever?

When did Tyson get made to look like a fool in his title reign? Even when he finally lost it, he still knocked his opponent down. The rest of his title reign was pure destruction and cleaning up.

WHen Lewis was champion, he only got caught once. He was never dominated like Louis. The rest of Lennox' opposition ****s on both Louis AND Tyson.

He also has 6 other HOF'ers during his career....Charles, Baer, Sharkey, Walcott and Carnera. Its not even close.

The Baers were utter crap. All they had was a punch. You should actually watch their circus acts..I mean fights.

CARNERA?? The worst ever.

Charles beat him. So did Walcott.


And what is your fetish with the Hall of Fame mate? ATG is what matters. The HOF is full of fighters who do not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as ATGs.

You want another era? Marciano' reign. Another one? Holmes. Not enough? Dempsey. More? Johnson. Still want more? Jeffries, Holyfield, Patterson, Bowe, Charles. Please, don't insult me with your lack of knowledge. Please, pick any of these era's one by one and I will show any objective poster beyond a shaddow of a doubt why Louis' was better. And before you even say it, spare me with who you think would of beat who. I deal with facts, not guesswork.

Don't get mad Jabbie.
Marciano had wins over Walcott, CHarles, Moore and Louis himself. Most of these actually made Louis look like a fool.
Holmes had Shavers, Witherspoon, Williams, Shavers, Norton etc. ****s on windmilling Baer or Galento.
Dempsey had Willard, Tunney and a few others. This is on par.
Holyfield and Bowe? Are you ******ed mate? They were in the second best era in Boing ever.

You are delusional mate. Just give up, you're nothing.

[Slimey Limey]

Now lets look at Poets way of ducking. This is an emaple of what he has been repeating to every single poster for a few years now.

The lack of any kind of knowledge of fighters from the 1940s makes it impossible to have any kind of rational discussion because, to be quite frank, you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

Since you have absolutely no knowlege of boxing prior to your own lifetime and are content to keep it so then the only honorable course would be for you to refrain from commenting on such subjects.

PS. Your spelling is as downright awful as your ignorance.

Poet[/QUOTE]

Great job mate. You just showed for the millionth time what kind of poster you have become.

[Slimey Limey]

Not denying that there were some talented fighters, I stated as much in my last post.

I don't think it was **** just because many wasted their careers. I don't know if you remember how bad it was before Mike Tyson came along and cleaned up the division. Joe Louis would of done the same thing had he been fighting those same fighters.

The windmilling Baer as you put it was a fine specimen of a man and he had tremendous power and would of beaten the likes of Carl Williams and Tyrell Biggs. Galento wasn't a great fighter but more intelligent than I think you give him credit for.

I think it's easy to say a modern fighter would easily beat an old timer, but you have to remember these old time fighters fought for very little, which is why they fought so often and at very short notice and had so many defeats.

But they showed more heart and desire than 95% of modern fighters.

Also you have to think that boxing moves on and evolves, pit Joe Louis now with todays training methods etc against todays fighters and see how he fares. In fact Joe Louis was so far ahead of his time he wouldn't look out of place against todays fighters.

I just think your being a little unfair, either that or your here just to wind a lot of people up.

No mate. If Louis was much lower in the top 10 you wouldn't even see me in here. But people blindly act as if it was the greatest title reign ever in boxing.

And this is not a "old vs modern Boxing" thing for me. Not at all.

I think Marciano had a much better title reign than Louis. Liston did too. Ali had the best one, followed by Lennox.

Joe Louis should simply not get this much credit because he had a bum of the month club to pad his title reign, and beat crap fighters along the way, and also had gift decisions and was sometimes dominated. His career as a whole is better than this.

[them_apples]

No mate. If Louis was much lower in the top 10 you wouldn't even see me in here. But people blindly act as if it was the greatest title reign ever in boxing.

And this is not a "old vs modern Boxing" thing for me. Not at all.

I think Marciano had a much better title reign than Louis. Liston did too. Ali had the best one, followed by Lennox.

Joe Louis should simply not get this much credit because he had a bum of the month club to pad his title reign, and beat crap fighters along the way, and also had gift decisions and was sometimes dominated. His career as a whole is better than this.

You can't really think Rocky had a better reign than Louis?

I agree that Carnera and the Baers were ****, a lot of the HOFer's people are talking about are really only 'known' names and weren't very good. There still were however a great deal of not-so-**** Hofer's that he fought, and the fact that he had so many title defenses. We also can't overlook the fact that Walcott was robbed against Louis.


In a legacy standpoint alone however, Louis did a lot more in his era than both Lewis and Tyson did in theirs. Who would win? well that's a different ballgame altogether.

[StarshipTrooper]

Duck you? You've got 67 posts, I don't even know you unless you're an alt. And If I haven't answered your questions to your satisfaction its because your posts haven't been worth responding to.

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear this douche is an alt. He has 67 post yet claims familiarity with my posting history of the past two years. Considering he's delibrately trying to push my buttons I have no doubt his original ID was most likely permanently banned. He really contributes nothing and gives every indication of being a hopeless fan-boi.

PS. Do you know why people like him become douches? Because they'll never get anywhere near any snatch otherwise.

Poet

[TheGreatA]

No mate. If Louis was much lower in the top 10 you wouldn't even see me in here. But people blindly act as if it was the greatest title reign ever in boxing.

And this is not a "old vs modern Boxing" thing for me. Not at all.

I think Marciano had a much better title reign than Louis. Liston did too. Ali had the best one, followed by Lennox.

Joe Louis should simply not get this much credit because he had a bum of the month club to pad his title reign, and beat crap fighters along the way, and also had gift decisions and was sometimes dominated. His career as a whole is better than this.

Marciano and Liston had better reigns than Louis?

Atleast Louis beat prime light heavyweights (not near 40 year olds) and he fought the big men of his era as well unlike Marciano (Rocky never got in the ring with Baker and Valdes who were ranked in the top 3). Marciano's best win was probably over a former Louis knockout victim Jersey Joe Walcott.

Liston had a great reign. He destroyed the smaller, glass-jawed Patterson in a rematch and was dominated by Ali in his second defense.

What was so great about Ali's reign? His best title defenses during his first reign were against George Chuvalo (coming off a loss) and Ernie Terrell.

The second reign looks good on paper, not so good after you score the Ken Norton III and Jimmy Young bouts. Chuck Wepner, Richard Dunn, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean-Pierre Coopman were great opposition as was Leon Spinks whom Ali lost to.

Basically you can discredit any fighter if you'd like to.

[JAB5239]

Those weren't in his title reign. Good job showing what a boxing historian you are Jabbie. And yes, you should admire Lewis' title reign as much as you admire that hypocrite Poets cornhole because that's all you've been doing in this thread mate.

Lol, who said they were in his title reign? Nice job with the reading comprehension.

I have to know you and have a lot of posts or you won't debate? This is why you're ducking my posts. You're looking for excuses not to respond to my posts because you know they're true and they hurt you and your clone hypocritical Poet.

Are you really this much of an idiot, or is this for show?

The one past his best was still a very live opponent. He almost beat a prime Holyfield and easily dismantled Mercer. This was all after he was ****d by Tyson.
And I need you to get off the crackpipe mate. You don't even elaborate and do what you do best, ducking.

Yeah, you're an idiot. Holmes hadn't fought in 2 years and was clearly slipping against Spinks a Williams.
Braddock often reffered to as one of THE worst champions ever. Farr and Lewis were as you say "nothing decent or to write home about".

Now is the good part. Conn, Walcott and Schmeling all beat Louis according to most people. Conn a freaking ligt heavyweight but a great one, made Louis look like nothing before getting caught. WHat did Tyson do with a great Light Heavyweight? 90 seconds mate.
Walcott was robbed against Louis. He also made him look like nothing. Schmeling was past his best and destroyed Louis before, so that W is almost on par with Tyson-Holmes.

According to MOST people Conn, Walcott and Schmeling were all put to sleep 4 out of 6 fights. Oops!!

Fooking awesome great title reign innit? Still think this crapfest was THE greatest title reign ever?

I never said it was "the greatest title reign". Where did you come up with that, or are ou just blatently lying?

When did Tyson get made to look like a fool in his title reign? Even when he finally lost it, he still knocked his opponent down. The rest of his title reign was pure destruction and cleaning up.

Tyons reign was decent, just not on par with Louis. He was also knocked cold by an underacheiver who will never even get a whiff of he HOF.

WHen Lewis was champion, he only got caught once. He was never dominated like Louis. The rest of Lennox' opposition ****s on both Louis AND Tyson.

Yeah, ok. Louis was never beaten in his prime. Get over it.

The Baers were utter crap. All they had was a punch. You should actually watch their circus acts..I mean fights.

CARNERA?? The worst ever.

Charles beat him. So did Walcott.

Your lack of knowledge is amusing!

Don't get mad Jabbie.
Marciano had wins over Walcott, CHarles, Moore and Louis himself. Most of these actually made Louis look like a fool.
Holmes had Shavers, Witherspoon, Williams, Shavers, Norton etc. ****s on windmilling Baer or Galento.
Dempsey had Willard, Tunney and a few others. This is on par.
Holyfield and Bowe? Are you ******ed mate? They were in the second best era in Boing ever.

You are delusional mate. Just give up, you're nothing.

Heh, heh, heh!! Im enjoying this. Imagine you calling me nothing? Just send me a check for the education. There will be more to come when I get home from work. You do know what work is, right?

[Slimey Limey]

Marciano and Liston had better reigns than Louis?

Of cource. So did everybody else I mentioned.

Atleast Louis beat prime light heavyweights (not near 40 year olds) and he fought the big men of his era as well unlike Marciano (Rocky never got in the ring with Baker and Valdes who were ranked in the top 3). Marciano's best win was probably over a former Louis knockout victim Jersey Joe Walcott.

Louis was utterly dominated by a true Light Heavyweight before getting lucky. Marciano destroyed a past prime Light Heavyweight before KOing him. Even though he was ko'd in a rematch, he outclassed and made Louis look like a fool and got robbed. Rocky again, KO'd him to make sure.

Liston had a great reign. He destroyed the smaller, glass-jawed Patterson in a rematch and was dominated by Ali in his second defense.

Lets not get started on how many glass chins Louis faced in his bum of the month club title reign. Patterson was an actual ATG.
And Liston lost against the GREATEST. Not schmeling, Conn, Walcott or Charles.

What was so great about Ali's reign? His best title defenses during his first reign were against George Chuvalo (coming off a loss) and Ernie Terrell. The second reign looks good on paper, not so good after you score the Ken Norton III and Jimmy Young bouts. Chuck Wepner, Richard Dunn, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean-Pierre Coopman were great opposition as was Leon Spinks whom Ali lost to.

Trolling

Basically you can discredit any fighter if you'd like to.

You can't blindly discredit any fighters TITLE REIGN if you'd like to. Louis and Foreman had a crappy title reign. Lewis and Ali had great ones.

[Slimey Limey]

Lol, who said they were in his title reign? Nice job with the reading comprehension.

You said so mate.

Are you really this much of an idiot, or is this for show?

Don't get mad, jabbie.

Yeah, you're an idiot. Holmes hadn't fought in 2 years and was clearly slipping against Spinks a Williams.

And yet when he got older and older he almost beat a prime Holyfield and dominated Ray Mercer. How convenient that you left this out, jabbie.

According to MOST people Conn, Walcott and Schmeling were all put to sleep 4 out of 6 fights. Oops!!

And yet they also made Louis look like a fookin fool in the ring. If Louis' title reign was so great these things should have never happened.

I never said it was "the greatest title reign". Where did you come up with that, or are ou just blatently lying?

I'm glad I put some sense into you Jabbie. You are now embarassed to ever say Louis had the greatest title reign of all time, ever again.

Tyons reign was decent, just not on par with Louis. He was also knocked cold by an underacheiver who will never even get a whiff of he HOF.

Again with your HOF crap. This is what you oldies always clinch to, because you know they're no ATGs.
And let me say this, Douglass fought like an ATG that night. You know this.

Yeah, ok. Louis was never beaten in his prime. Get over it.

Conn, Walcott, Schmeling. And if yuo want to make excuses that he wasn't in his prime in these fights, then that means Louis never met the best in his prime.

Your lack of knowledge is amusing!

Everything I said is true, mate.

Heh, heh, heh!! Im enjoying this. Imagine you calling me nothing? Just send me a check for the education. There will be more to come when I get home from work. You do know what work is, right?

Yes you must be a busy man as a **********. I see them working overnight too so it'll take a while to see your next post.