10 greatest title reigns

[Thunder Lips]

BlackIrish:

Sorry, I really have nothing to add if your just going to point to the same Baer highlights over and over again; despite knowing the story behind it. I post a link to the Joe Louis video where Galento is showing very solid defense for a brawler that isn't unlike the stance, attacks, and movements of Tua in the early going but you ignore it. What can I say?

Clearly, Tua was a better overall fighter as I mentioned. Galento was lazier than he could ever dream of being and yes, much more willing to take punishment to dish it out.

[Steak]

you mean this fight?


Ill give you that Galento looks better, but he still has the obvious problems Ive stated above.

He aint garbage, but hes not as good as the guys Ive said before. not a chance.

[Boogie Nights]

of course guys like Thunder Lips and Poet will go out of their way to defend their opinion and make something little and meaningless into something more than it really is or was.

The seriousness of that is what makes it so childish and that more serious. Im talking about my concern for another fellow poster's limited mental capacity.

In reality the only sole reason why galento(is that what his name is?) is mentioned today, much less remembered, is because he put Louis on the mat. That's it, his precious little seconds of fame that Louis spent on the canvas. But because it was the very GREAT Joe Louis (booooohooooo) and Galento managed to give trouble to the very GREAT Joe Louis, everyone can get down on their knees and get their lips wet. There's not a doubt in my mind that had Joe blown Galento out of their in the first (like he should have done) these mindless ****wits wouldnt even open their yaps about this chubby beer can.

Of course since it was the very GREAT Joe Louis no one can criticise anything, because it's just too offensive to say anything that would remotely cause discomfort to the fans of the very GREAT Joe Louis.

i forgot we were kneeling in front of a Pope here, sorry guys, ill make a note on that next time.

Al McCoy - 115 career wins including wins over Tommy Loughran and Nathan Mann.

Red Burman - 76 career wins including a win over Tommy Farr.

Gus Dorazio - 73 career wins including a win over Bob Pastor.

Abe Simon - Outweighed Louis by 50 pounds and had a win over Jersey Joe Walcott.

Tony Musto - The only true bum of the bunch.

Buddy Baer - Outweighed Louis by 35 pounds, 52 career wins including wins over Lee Savold, Nathan Mann, and Tony Galento.

Billy Conn - Light-Heavyweight Champion, 64 career wins including wins over Fritzie Zivic, Vince Dundee, Teddy Yarosz, Fred Apostoli, Gus Lesnevich, Melio Bettina, Bob Pastor, Lee Savold, and Tony Zale.

Poet

sexy list that all? i cant believe it WOWOWOW

Just as easily as you went on to compliment those guys, i can pick apart that list in 2 minutes flat, but why the **** would i waste 120 seconds of my life on someone like you.

[warp1432]

Off topic, Billy Conn has a really good resume. His fight with Louis is one of my favorites. I can't stand watching Louis most of the time, but man that fight was awesome. Wish there was more footage of him.

[JAB5239]

Off topic, Billy Conn has a really good resume. His fight with Louis is one of my favorites. I can't stand watching Louis most of the time, but man that fight was awesome. Wish there was more footage of him.

Wow, there is no other fighter I enjoy watching more. His speed, precision and power are a thing of beauty.

[them_apples]

I wouldn't put Hopkins that high ether, and I'm a huge Hopkins fan. I for sure put him on the list but not at no.2

his competition was average, his longevity good. maybe no.5

[them_apples]

Well, he was a really tough slugger; nothing more and nothing less. At his best like in the Louis fight, he fought out of a low crouch and looked for lefts over the top. I wouldn't say he had no skills at all, however he was certainly limited; but still very dangerous. He could stand up to the best punchers, and he'd take a punch to land his hook which was a threat to anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPnb8eDNj30

Galento vs. Louis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKDvkcLe0K0&feature=related

Tua vs. Ruiz

the guy has a middleweight frame and put on a lot of weight due to poor dieting, and fought at heavyweight. Look at the weight he comes in at the beginning of his career (and he was still overweight even then).

not saying size matters (since you hate that) just thought I'd point it out.

[TheGreatA]

you mean this fight?


Ill give you that Galento looks better, but he still has the obvious problems Ive stated above.

He aint garbage, but hes not as good as the guys Ive said before. not a chance.

I don't think Galento was that great and in fact the people around his time including Joe Louis didn't think too much of him either (atleast until Louis found himself on the canvas). He was thought to be an overweight brawler although he did have a win over the very good Lou Nova but that fight should rightfully go down as one of most disgraceful displays of "boxing" in history.

I do think he was entertaining, tough and could punch. He could also foul people as well as anybody which he probably wouldn't get away with today.

The Max Baer fight is not the best example of what Galento could or could not do since he was way overweight even by his standards at 245 lbs which made him almost immobile. Against Lou Nova he weighed in at a "trim" 225 lbs.

I wouldn't call Galento a natural middleweight. He wasn't in perfect shape by any means but he had a stocky build with almost no neck:

[-CANE-]

He beat the best there were to beat during his era. It wasn't Ali's era, no. But it wasn't nearly as bad as "the bum of the month club" tag makes it sound either.

Totally agree and there were worse reigns and eras, the fact he reigned for so long is very impressive. It's easy to not be at your best and 100% focused when you feel you are fighting someone not your equal.

I feel Lennox Lewis should of gone undefeated in his career, those defeats were down to lack of focus and not the glass chin everyone suggests. He gets much credit for avenging both defeats though and wiping out the entire division. And that's why Louis should get a lot credit as he always found a way to win even when not fully focused and at his best. But I think overall Lewis fought a better level of opposition than Louis. Just my opinion, it's not ignorance on my behalf.

Poet knows full well I know my fighters and my history and while I totally respect and admire Joe Louis, through no fault of his own it wasn't the strongest of eras for the heavyweights.

[StarshipTrooper]

Poet knows full well I know my fighters and my history and while I totally respect and admire Joe Louis, through no fault of his own it wasn't the strongest of eras for the heavyweights.

Certainly no argument there. It wasn't on par with the 1970s or 1990s which I think are the two strongest eras for the Heavyweights. My point is that people hear "Bum Of The Month Club" and actually assume they were really bums without investigating the truth. Too many posters especially younger ones assume that if they've never heard of a fighter then they must not have been any good. That wipes out 99% of pre-1980 fighters since most of the younger posters weren't even born until after 1980 and they are almost uniformly ignorant of boxing history since they couldn't be arsed to do any research on the fighters they are so glibbly dismissing (no, a 20 second clip on You Tube does NOT constitute "research").

Poet