PRIME Ali Beats PRIME Tyson Easy?

[JAB5239]

** Ali isn't the only fighter with speed, but more importantly, timing and technique limit speed and left hooks to the jaw were like death rays to Ali.

Ali could never keep a 205 lb Frazier off him, and Frazier's physical health was declining rapidly after their first fight. He never could solve the Norton puzzle, so it's obvious he would be vulnerable to the bob and weave of Tyson and Dempsey as well, both possessers of excellent left hooks to complement their full arsenals which included healthy doses of speed.

The main thing Ali has going is that he tended to get up for big fights, so we'd see the best versions of him. Otherwise he's a very inconsistent fighter through out his career and could be picked off. At his best he wasted a lot of energy missing punches and running around the ring when not walking on water and curing young boys of pimples.

Of course the haters of Tyson want to match the McBride version of Tyson with the Ali who dismantled Big Cat Williams. Whatever. Boys will be boys and they have their little games they play on their computers, but most of them prefer the MMA/UFC, so in their world, Brock Lesner would pick up Ali and pile drive him through the ring. It's all good clean fun......

Lol, I gotta say, I love your ornery disposition when describing things you don't agree with. Not saying I don't see the logic behind many of your posts, but damn, agree or disagree your posts are entertaining. Keep em coming.

[a-raines21]

The fact you say you watch the fight everyday show's you are a Tyson ass kisser, I see it how it is, and for you to say He didnt land jabs means your a fool. Biggs isnt even a good fighter, and for the first round he showed Tyson up, Tyson is a Good fighter, but people like you that cant see his weaknesses are just people that refuse the fact that a prime tyson is beatable, I wasnt saying that Biggs would beat him or Holmes, i was GIVE AN EXAMPLE, that Tyson has trouble against Boxers that move around, And a PRIME Ali was the Best At that, a 38 year old Larry Holmes showed us in the first 20 secs of the 4th round that Tyson is easy to jab, 90% of thos jabs landed solid, Count how many times Tyson Landed a clean punch in those two highlights, ALI Would have out boxed Tyson,.


Tyson is good,
But Ali is Great

Stop kissing ass, and watch more fighter instead of watching Tyson Vs Biggs everyday you moron

dude do you not see greatness in tyson?

[StarshipTrooper]

Lol, I gotta say, I love your ornery disposition when describing things you don't agree with. Not saying I don't see the logic behind many of your posts, but damn, agree or disagree your posts are entertaining. Keep em coming.

Actually he's a 24 karot idiot. He hates Ali and spends most of his time trying to discredit him. He nuthugs Tyson like he's his gay lover. He doesn't know squat about boxing and practically all of his pronouncements on the suubject are just dead wrong. Comparing Tyson to Norton? That's just ******: They weren't even close style wise. It's clear he has NO understanding at all of Norton's style and why it gave slick boxers fits. Any post he makes can be safely disregarded as the opposite is likely to be closer to the truth.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

dude do you not see greatness in tyson?

dude it's debatable.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

As I have said many times before, you have to add the Cus factor in here. If Cus is alive for this fight, I think Mike would have an excellent chance to win. Cus knew Ali's style very well and he was so confindent in knowing that he could get a defeat over Ali that he was planning on getting Jose Torres to move up to heavyweight to fight Ali. Also, lets not forget about this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWlHDYDkjg

I believe that Cus would have had Tyson prepared to defeat Ali, just like with Larry Holmes. Tyson is the only man to knock out Holmes for a reason, in addition to Larry obviously being past his best, Mike and Cus used to analyze Larry Holmes' every move since Tyson was an amatuer because they assumed that Larry would still be champ by the time Mike came up the ranks/ They would have been prepared for Ali imo. With that said though, I think Ali would pull out a decision(if it were going 15), but I wouldn't be surprised to see Mike pull out a victory either.

People put WAY to much stock in D'Amato and his ability to make Tyson better than he was. It's not like Kevin Rooney was chopped liver afterall. These same people then, in turn overrate ROONEY'S ability to make Tyson better than he was when comparing him pre and post the first Bruno fight. Get real people: A trainer has only so much impact on a fighter and ultimately a fighter enters the ring alone.

There's way to much playing of the "If only....." game with Tyson. I know of no other fighter that consistantly pulls that kind of wishful thinking. Tyson was the only fighter ever to have negative **** impact his career? Please.

What if.....

Jack Johnson hadn't been pursued by the government?
Joe Louis hadn't lost 4 years off his prime due to WWII?
Sonny Liston had gotten his title shot while still in prime?
Ali hadn't lost 3 years off his prime due to his being banned?

You can play this game with almost any fighter. In Tyson's case people really need to get a clue and dump the non-stop wishful thinking. Face it, no matter how many ifs and buts you dream and wish for you won't make Tyson into something he wasn't: That is anything close to being the best ever.

Poet

[res]

People put WAY to much stock in D'Amato and his ability to make Tyson better than he was. It's not like Kevin Rooney was chopped liver afterall. These same people then, in turn overrate ROONEY'S ability to make Tyson better than he was when comparing him pre and post the first Bruno fight. Get real people: A trainer has only so much impact on a fighter and ultimately a fighter enters the ring alone.

There's way to much playing of the "If only....." game with Tyson. I know of no other fighter that consistantly pulls that kind of wishful thinking. Tyson was the only fighter ever to have negative **** impact his career? Please.

What if.....

Jack Johnson hadn't been pursued by the government?
Joe Louis hadn't lost 4 years off his prime due to WWII?
Sonny Liston had gotten his title shot while still in prime?
Ali hadn't lost 3 years off his prime due to his being banned?

You can play this game with almost any fighter. In Tyson's case people really need to get a clue and dump the non-stop wishful thinking. Face it, no matter how many ifs and buts you dream and wish for you won't make Tyson into something he wasn't: That is anything close to being the best ever.

Poet

None of those guys was the psychological mess that Tyson was. And it wasn't Cus as trainer as much as it was Cus as father/only stabilizing force in the life of a mental child that was important.

That said, Ali takes him UD 3 out of 3 even with Cus.

[res]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrWlHDYDkjg

Tyson is the only man to knock out Holmes for a reason

The reason is because Tyson is one of the top five punchers of all time, and Larry was over the hill and not fast enough to avoid him.

[RayLeonard82]

If Ali had problems with Joe Frazier than he would have similair problems with a young and focused Mike Tyson. Im talking the Tyson of 1987 when he was motivated and his reflexes were at its peak. That Tyson is much quicker than Joe Frazier.

[res]

If Ali had problems with Joe Frazier than he would have similair problems with a young and focused Mike Tyson. Im talking the Tyson of 1987 when he was motivated and his reflexes were at its peak. That Tyson is much quicker than Joe Frazier.

The fact that they don't fight the same is important. Frazier applied pressure but it was brawling pressure that included persistent attacks to the body. Tyson usually tries to land one or two shots, with speed (not by brawling) and usually to the head. That isn't a good approach to fighting Ali.

So i don't think this fight would be as hard for Ali as Frazier, but it still won't be a cake walk.

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[Knighte]

dude do you not see greatness in tyson?

His combination of strength and speed made him a great puncher, but I'm afraid I don't see any other signs of greatness in him. His 'prime' was pathetically brief, he had no ring savvy to speak of, he had no dedication or heart, he was totally annihilated by the likes of Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis, Williams, McBride..